View Poll Results: Worst battle defeat in Western/European history?

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  • Cannae 202 B.C. (Carthage defeats Romans)

    3 3.61%
  • Carrhae 53 B.C. (Parthians defeat Romans)

    1 1.20%
  • Guadalete 711 or 712 (Moors defeat Visigoths)

    3 3.61%
  • Sit River 1238 (Mongols defeat Russians

    0 0%
  • Mohi 1241 (Mongols defeat Hungarians)

    3 3.61%
  • Nicopolis 1396 (Ottomans defeat Crusaders)

    8 9.64%
  • Fall of Constantinople 1453 (Ottomans conquer Byzantium)

    46 55.42%
  • Adowa 1896 (Ethiopians defeat Italians)

    1 1.20%
  • Tsushima naval battle 1905 (Japanese defeat Russians)

    6 7.23%
  • Gallipoli 1915-1916 (Ottomans defeat Western Allies)

    6 7.23%
  • Bataan 1942 (Japanese defeat U.S.)

    0 0%
  • Other

    6 7.23%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    In the Formosa Expedition, spear-chucking primitive Taiwanese aboriginals defeated a group of American marines and sailors (though it was a tiny battle with only one death so maybe it shouldn't count).

    In the Battle of Isandlwana, spear-chucking primitive Zulus defeated the British. I think this should be number one.
    Those were European expeditions overseas. Like Bataan too. Nothing is like Guadelete. Guadelete is number 1: Arab vs Germanic hot contact point, in European soil.
    Number 2: Soviet invasion of eastern German lands in 1940s. Number 3 was maybe Mohacs but still Hungarian arent from core Western nations, they are proxy. They are late joiners of the European club. Like Finns or Poles.
    Mongol invasion of Silesia and Leignitz in 1240s can be number 3.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    A part of the Visigoths betrayed their king and passed to fight against him in the battle. That was the decisive move to win the battle. There was not an European numerically superior power.

    And its legacy lasted 800 years only in Granada (the last 250 because they were vassals of Castilla and paid a tribute).
    Sure I didn’t say all Iberia. Asturias almost never experienced it.

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    Number one is the defeat of constantinople, 1453

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    You can't list Cannae 202 B.C. because there was no Europe in any cultural, civilizational, or economic sense. To an Ancient Greek or Roman a place like Syria, Egypt or Tunis was far closer to the heart and mind than Germany or Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    You can't list Cannae 202 B.C. because there was no Europe in any cultural, civilizational, or economic sense. To an Ancient Greek or Roman a place like Syria, Egypt or Tunis was far closer to the heart and mind than Germany or Poland.
    Because back then there was no common European identity, but now that it exists both are part of its history

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Because back then there was no common European identity, but now that it exists both are part of its history
    It's ridiculous. You can't apply standards and principles of today to ancient past especially when Northern Europeans had nothing to do with those events. There was perhaps a Mediterranean identity but sure not a "European" one. It's called historical revisionism based on romantic nationalism.

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    1453 best year of my life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaglakar View Post
    It's ridiculous. You can't apply standards and principles of today to ancient past especially when Northern Europeans had nothing to do with those events. There was perhaps a Mediterranean identity but sure not a "European" one. It's called historical revisionism based on romantic nationalism.
    there was neither a mediterranean identity. both Greko-Romans considered the advanced ancient civilizations of near east as Barbarian, and even Greeks considered Romans as such too, let alone the rest of Europeans

    But the conclusion of Europe being quite homogenous today (compare to the rest of the world, as there definetely are enormous differences among us) is indicative of the fact that there was a common "predisposition" and commonalities even during the antiquity

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    there was neither a mediterranean identity. both Greko-Romans considered the advanced ancient civilizations of near east as Barbarian, and even Greeks considered Romans as such too, let alone the rest of Europeans

    But the conclusion of Europe being quite homogenous today (compare to the rest of the world, as there definetely are enormous differences among us) is indicative of the fact that there was a common "predisposition" and commonalities even during the antiquity
    That predisposition and commonality was forged through the spread of North-West European culture, technology and principles all around the world, but because you are in close proximity to modern civilization axis, you and others adopted more. Clinical distribution of "Europeaness" starts in North-Western Europe and affects closest countries to it, as it goes further it dilutes. The same was true for Roman and Greek civilizations where the Mediterranean sea allowed closer contact and spread of ideas between peoples living on the coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Number one is the defeat of constantinople, 1453
    Unfortunately, and for the moment, it has been the only European land that still has not been ricovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Unfortunately, and for the moment, it has been the only European land that still has not been ricovered.
    You guys should worry first about recovering French, Spanish, Italian, British etc. pussies from the dicks of niggers they sit every fucking day all the time in Western Europe before attempting anything in Istanbul.

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