Nato vs Turan

[Styggnacke]

anti-Americanism,

Pardon me, but the influences we have got from America post-WWII haven't been really that great.

anti-capitalism

They're against crony capitalism and corporatocracy, but they realize that a fully state planned economy will lead to economic stagnation.

anti-war fixation,

Why would we support these totally pointless and useless wars from a Swedish perspective?

and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO.

NATO is shit. Fortunately, we will most likely not join it in a near future.

If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

Only if you're the aggressor. Considering the great influence of a certain un-American minority in the US politics, it will probably be you who take that position.

[Siberyak]

It might, which is probably why we won't attack Iran. People who deny Iran is a real problem though tend to sympathize with groups like Jobbik.

Joe we can not afford another Trillion dollar war with Iran.

[Joe McCarthy]

How much you wanna bet we will attack Iran? This reminds me of the days in early 2003 before the build up to oust saddam. The same tough talk is going on with vague threats that are coming out of the mouth of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Well, I don't think we will attack Iran, and if they go nuclear it may lead to war, anyway, as they'll then be emboldened to become more aggressive. I'm unsure it'd lead to WW3, either, though China has threatened it. What can China really do though to directly assist Iran?

[Eldritch]

That isn't the part that worries me. It's the neo-fascism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-war fixation, and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO. If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

Well, let's hope all other Swedish political parties are pro-war. If they're pro-war enough, it might be enough to prevent WW3.

[Siberyak]

Well, I don't think we will attack Iran, and if they go nuclear it may lead to war, anyway, as they'll then be emboldened to become more aggressive. I'm unsure it'd lead to WW3, either, though China has threatened it. What can China really do though to directly assist Iran?

The next few months will tell. What's with the build up in the Persian gulf then? Joe we can't afford another costly war with Iran. We are exhausting and over extending our soldiers. Do you have any idea how much the Iraq war cost the U.S. financially?

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Anachronistic
Pardon me, but the influences we have got from America post-WWII haven't been really that great.

I disagree, but then that isn't the point, is it?

They're against crony capitalism and corporatocracy, but they realize that a fully state planned economy will lead to economic stagnation.

These guys are without exception economic illiterates that hate the post-war Bretton Woods system. Their ideas would only create chaos and solicit unnecessary hostility from financial circles.

Why would we support these totally pointless and useless wars from a Swedish perspective?

Tell me: why do the Swedish National Democrats take a position on the Iraq War? Or is opposing US policy as reflexive policy some kind of stupid far right fad over there?

NATO is shit. Fortunately, we will most likely not join it in a near future.

Well, I'm unsure what point you're trying to make here. You're only agreeing with the National Democrats...

Only if you're the aggressor. Considering the great influence of a certain un-American minority in the US politics, it will probably be you who take that position.

The characteristic feature of these groups, particularly the National Front, is the desire to realign with Russia and away from the United States. That would pose a national security threat to the US, and would set the stage for conflict.

[Joe McCarthy]

Well, let's hope all other Swedish political parties are pro-war. If they're pro-war enough, it might be enough to prevent WW3.

The anti-war fixation I'm referring to is the opposition to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[StonyArabia]

Iraq is a stable democracy with little violence these days. No one argues that the war is lost, the surge was completely victorious over the Iraqi insurgents.

Iraq is stable democracy, the violence has increased with democracy. There is no central government in Iraq. The Americans have lost on the grounds of promise to actually establish true democracy but they did not. The Americans proped up Islamic parties and increased fundmentalism and empowered Iran. The war is still continuing but America is slowly losing, the so called insurgents were mostly Syrian Desert Bedouin tribesmen who made sure that the Americans could not subdue them and they were successful.

[Osweo]

What a selfish view. I hope if your nation ever falls under Fascist rule you won't expect anyone to liberate you.

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Depends on whether you believe this:




Indo-European homeland - Yamna

Or this.

or this;


(I'd never class Yamnaya as PIE, while leaving the Corded complex out of it.)

If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

If your group and its policies don't get us there first.

[Eldritch]

The anti-war fixation I'm referring to is the opposition to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I never did imagine that it's wars in Denmark or Estonia that the Sweden Democrats oppose. But if one small party in one small country can cause WW3 with their unorthodox policies, then let's face it: WW3 is just around the corner.