hair/eye color and phenotype

[Jarl]

So you think that the aforementioned populations are exactly the same as they were 100 years ago? Eh........

No. Definitely the trends change, however 4 generations is not enough to have a major impact. Hryncewicz did not make any use of scales, limiting the value of his study. Particularly direct comparisons with findings of other authors are not possible. However, if you carefully compare the percentages to those from other sources (like Coon), you should see that the trends stay basically the same. The only difference is that Hryncewicz underestimated the green or mixed-eyes category, classifying the border shades as grey and brown.


However, that is because he used "common sense" instead of a set of glass eyeballs. When I conducted a search on a Polish dating website, I found that green eye freq. was approx. 20%. This is much lower than the total of 28-29% (data from the 50s) for all Martin's 7-10 shades in Poland. One may argue that it's due to real changes in the population, but for the reasons I mentioned before, I would rather put it down to the conflict between common sense observations and use of Martin scale. Particularly classyfing hazel and brown-green shades with preponderance of brown as simply "brown", seems to be the reason behind the discrepancy...

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[Jarl]

That is really interesting... where does it come from?

[lei.talk]

a graduated assortment of human-eye photographs
would be ideal -

this is from a display-case of ocular protheses.

[Jarl]

a graduated assortment of human-eye photographs
would be ideal -

this is from a display-case of ocular protheses.

Right! It's still a good scale if one can link the more natural looking shades up. As for the human-eye photographs, definitely that would be the best option. So far we've got a few good green eye pics here. Perhaps I could resize them and link them up into a new, homemade scale.

[esaima]

I have seen 6 Estonians(2 being pure Estonians) during my lifetime with green eyes. 0 Estonians with brown eyes

Dear fellow-countryman, where have you lived?Or you never look into somebodys eyes?You have seen 0 Estonians with brown eyes?
I understand- we try imagine weselves as "aryan" and Scandinavian as possible, but it´´s ridiculous to claim that you claimedOf course, there are brown eyes among estonians.

We are generally of course a"light" nation, bu a bit less lighter than the Scandies and the Finns.There are not so much whithe-heades among Estonians (if any completely white-headed one?)as there are in Sweden-Norway etc.The most similar people in my mind to us are the Latvians(despite different language).

[Inese]

The most similar people in my mind to us are the Latvians(despite different language).

Hi!!

[Atlas]

I have green to brown eyes, mostly green in the sun but I am not nordic, y'all have seen pics of me. I guess you find green eyes in every European countries, and not especially the northern ones.

[Jarl]

I have seen 6 Estonians(2 being pure Estonians) during my lifetime with green eyes. 0 Estonians with brown eyes

Dear fellow-countryman, where have you lived?Or you never look into somebodys eyes?You have seen 0 Estonians with brown eyes?
I understand- we try imagine weselves as "aryan" and Scandinavian as possible, but it´´s ridiculous to claim that you claimedOf course, there are brown eyes among estonians.

We are generally of course a"light" nation, bu a bit less lighter than the Scandies and the Finns.There are not so much whithe-heades among Estonians (if any completely white-headed one?)as there are in Sweden-Norway etc.The most similar people in my mind to us are the Latvians(despite different language).

It's always a pleasure to listen to one more sober voice in these discussions.

[Äike]

I have seen 6 Estonians(2 being pure Estonians) during my lifetime with green eyes. 0 Estonians with brown eyes

Dear fellow-countryman, where have you lived?Or you never look into somebodys eyes?You have seen 0 Estonians with brown eyes?
I understand- we try imagine weselves as "aryan" and Scandinavian as possible, but it´´s ridiculous to claim that you claimedOf course, there are brown eyes among estonians.

We are generally of course a"light" nation, bu a bit less lighter than the Scandies and the Finns.There are not so much whithe-heades among Estonians (if any completely white-headed one?)as there are in Sweden-Norway etc.The most similar people in my mind to us are the Latvians(despite different language).

I have lived in a 100% Estonian village and now in a majority Estonian area of Tallinn. I myself, have light green eyes. I'm a living proof that not all Estonians have blue/gray eyes. But I got my green eyes from my Swedish ancestors. Technically, Estonians aren't "Aryans", because we aren't Indo-Europeans Estonians aren't Scandinavians either, because... we don't live in Scandinavia The only area lighter then Estonia, in Scandinavia is Northern Sweden, a small part of Norway and then Finland is the lightest area of entire Europe.

There are brown eyes among every European nationality, I just haven't met any Estonians with brown eyes yet. Looks like I gotta meet more people and btw, I look into people's eyes.

If by "white-heads" you mean platin blond, then my father is one. I also know several people with platin blond hair. I am normal blond myself.

Now the question is. Dear fellow countryman, where have you lived?

Making an introduction thread would be nice too