View Poll Results: Who are the purest Aryans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhat View Post
    This is a weird argument. Based on the same logic someone can argue that Swedes are more Slavic than Bulgarians because they would be overall closer to them despite having almost no direct ancestry from them. Proto-Aryans would cluster north of modern day Europeans and only have 1/3 light people. So despite being genetically siper-european they would not look nordic and i don't really see the point of North Europeans claiming them. It is like Swedes claiming to be more celtic than Iberians because Swedes would rather cluster with Proto-Celts in terms of Steppe/EEF/HG ancestry.
    I don't know about that since over 40% of the people from the Shintasa culture had blue or green eyes and so on..so. No, but it does provide the claim that the Aryans were indeed Europeans before they mixed and assimilated with various peoples that would become the modern day Indo-Iranians of Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamal900 View Post
    I don't know about that since over 40% of the people from the Shintasa culture had blue or green eyes and so on..so. No, but it does provide the claim that the Aryans were indeed Europeans before they mixed and assimilated with various peoples that would become the modern day Indo-Iranians of Asia.
    Around 1/3 were light eyed not more in Sintashta and Fatyanovo. Light phenotypes became dominant in Europe only during the end of the Bronze Age and in the Iron Age.

    Yeah they would fall into a broad European cluster but this is irrelevant for their identity. They would not identify as "European" ( no Pan-European or Pan-IE identiy existed during this time) and as super-patriarchal people they would definetly not consider people with similar autosomal dna and very different paternal lines as being closer to them than people being actual direct genetica and linguistic descendants of them (R1a-Z93 Indo-Iranians). I mean among ancient Europeans and Indo-Iranians your paternal line give you your identity and dynasty even when the autosomal signal was diluted.

    To summarize it non-Indo-Iranians talking about "muh Aryans" are cringe and as much as absurd as Indians or Afghans saying they are pure Celts.

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    Spammers and trolls aside this is the correct answer


    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Aryans are the people who inhabited the 2500 year old region Ariana. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana

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    Ariana covered parts of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Europeans only recently in the 19th century started using this term to refer to things outside Ariana. In recent times Sintashta has been referred to as Proto-Indo-Aryan because they contributed to the people of Ariana.

    Peoples by whom Ariana was inhabited, as enumerated by Strabo were:[17]

    Arachoti;
    Arii;
    Bactrians;
    Drangae;
    Gedrosii;

    Paropamisadae;
    Parthians;
    Persians
    Sogdians.

    Pliny (vi. 25) specifies the following ethnicities:

    Angutturi;
    Arii;
    the inhabitants of Daritis;
    Dorisci;
    Drangae;
    Evergetae;
    Gedrussi;

    Ichthyophagi;
    Methorici;
    Pasires;
    Urbi;
    Zarangae.
    Rüdiger Schmitt, the German scholar of Iranian Studies, also believes that Ariana should have included other Iranian people. He writes in the Encyclopćdia Iranica:

    Eratosthenes’ use of this term (followed by Diodorus 2.37.6) is obviously due to a mistake, since, firstly, not all inhabitants of these lands belonged to the same tribe and, secondly, the term "Aryan" originally was an ethnical one and only later a political one as the name of the Iranian empire (for all North Indians and Iranians designated themselves as "Aryan"; See Aryan), thus comprising still other Iranian tribes outside of Ariana proper, like Medes, Persians or Sogdians (so possibly in Diodorus 1.94.2, where Zarathushtra is said to have preached Ahura Mazdā's laws "among the Arianoi").[3]

    In Avesta and Persian literature

    Unlike the several meanings connected with ārya- in Old Indo-Aryan, the Old Persian term only has an ethnic meaning.[42][43] That is in contrast to Indo-Aryan usage, in which several secondary meanings evolved, the meaning of ar- as a self-identifier is preserved in Iranian usage, hence the word "Iran". The airya meant "Iranian", and Iranian anairya [24][44] meant and means "non-Iranian". Arya may also be found as an ethnonym in Iranian languages, e.g., Alan and Persian Iran and Ossetian Ir/Iron[44] The name is itself equivalent to Aryan, where Iran means "land of the Aryans,"[24][43][44][45][46][47][48][49] and has been in use since Sassanid times.

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    Slavs.

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    Pashtuns, Persians, Tajiks etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Yes aryans were iranic peoples in the reality, but most peoples in the world know nothing about history and they consider germanic peoples as aryans. If you ask random peoples in the streets majority of them will say germanic or blonde instead of iranian.
    Old post but anyways,
    Weren't you the one who was meaning blonde jazecs of Hungary as some representative of iranics?
    Jazics aren't Iranic genetically,but hungarian/central european,they got assimilated and mixed.
    The Iranic samples of scythians,sarmatians,Alans we have are closest to some tajik sub-populations and alans are the only iranics who are sub divided in closeness to tajiks and kavkaz people.

    And genetiker,who is a white nationalist like you,has pigmentation data of scythians and sarmatians,and most of them seem to be brown haired and brown eyed.
    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/
    For those historical descriptions,Maybe it was an exaggeration similar to how Greeks described thracians as red haired but bulgrians don't have much red hair as one would expect from descenedants of thracians and slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Kurgan Types from Fatyanovo (~3000 BC, when Aryans were still one people):


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