Thanks Loki

**Armin** · 03-12-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Civis Batavi

Then the question is this:
The bastards (

) are here already: both on the forum and in Europe. So how to make it work ?

Some things just do not go together when we like make them out to be gray.

You are either on the white or the black square. You are either with Europe or against it.

**The Lawspeaker** · 03-12-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Armin

Some things just do not go together when we like make them out to be gray.

You are either on the white or the black square. You are either with Europe or against it.

I don't mean having them in Europe, but I would prefer to have them as a good neighbour. We can always destroy them later when they turn hostile but if that isn't necessary we might just as well build up constructive relations with them.

**~~Padre Organtino~~** · 03-12-2012, 04:29 PM

I would support re-Byzantification of Turkey

**orangepulp** · 03-12-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Armin

Incorrect my Muslim Turkic friend.

Armenia is in Eastern Europe (officially listed as such), while Turkey is not. There is a reason for that.

I do not want to get into it here. But, if you again want to open it up be my guest.

Geographically Armenia being in Europe or in Western Asia is debatable even Georgia being more Northwards is. Genetically you are West Asians and cluster with Assyrians, Turks, Kurds, Georgians etc.. Culturally you many be similar to Europeans to some degree but so are Christian Lebanese and other nonMuslim West Asian minorities like the Assyrians. In fact there are many cultural points you people share with other West Asians, such as similarities in some dishes. Some of these cultural traits are exclusive to West Asia.

**Anthropologique** · 03-12-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hess

Oranges and Apples. Armenia is a peripheral European country and part of the broader concept of Western Civilization. Turkey isn't.

Please, Armenia is not European, even peripherally.

**~~Sikeliot~~** · 03-12-2012, 04:33 PM

Armenia I can accept as not European proper but as a close sibling to Europeans. Same with Georgians.

Turks are genetically closer to Europeans than Armenians are and many of them are directly descended from the Balkans, but their loyalties do not lie with Europe nor does their culture.

**~~Styggnacke~~** · 03-12-2012, 04:34 PM

Shouldn't there be Chechen and Indian forums, so all non-European nations here can get their own forums?

**~~Sikeliot~~** · 03-12-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Shouldn't there be Chechen and Indian forums, so all non-European nations here can get their own forums?

Forums are made to cater to the needs of the members. When we get a significant Indian or Chechen population on the board, I am sure we will do the same for them. There are a lot of Turkish members here, thus they needed a subsection of the board just like everyone else has.

**~~Padre Organtino~~** · 03-12-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anachronistic

Shouldn't there be Chechen and Indian forums, so all non-European nations here can get their own forums?

Indians are obviously out of question IMO.

**The Lawspeaker** · 03-12-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Clementina

Forums are made to cater to the needs of the members. When we get a significant Indian or Chechen population on the board, I am sure we will do the same for them. There are a lot of Turkish members here, thus they needed a subsection of the board just like everyone else has.

Is still forum still a forum dedicated to European preservationism ?