Welsh people: Who overlaps with them?

[Charlemagne7]

Many of them are tanned and have dark eyes. That results in an overreaction with people saying they're Iberian or something. Many english are like that too and there's a natural overlap there.

I could probably point out a group of welsh compare to a group of irish.

Yeah, they're on par with Poles on eye color and are only slighty darker haired than Belgians or the Swiss. People who voted for Iberians are clueless.

[Septentrion]

I have read in anthro forums that they are predominantly Atlanto-Med and are famous for their dark hairs...but in UK, people from Welsh origin didn't look to me much different from English...

The Welsh are not Atlanto - Mediterraneans. That is nonsense. They are well among the palest - skinned, most freckled, ginger - haired on the face of the earth. They are closely related to the Cornish, Scottish, Irish people. They are not specifically different from other British people. Although there are different frequencies, the Welsh are less blonde - haired than the English and Scottish as a whole, with more dark hair, but they are paler than the English or just as pale. The “stereotypical” Welsh man is described as dark - haired and dark - eyed, however, this is far from the average Welshman. Most Welsh have brown hair, light - eyes and a pale, freckled skin tone. They are not short either, their rugby players are robust and tall. The most common eye colour in Wales is blue, which is a different case in Mediterranean countries. The difference in percentage for blue eyes between the Welsh and Scandinavian is not great at all.

Blue eyes %:
Denmark : 50.7
Norway & Sweden : 50
Wales : 45
Germany : 30
Belgium : 28.9
France : 20.2
Italy : 10.3
Portugal : 7.5

[Septentrion]

I have read in anthro forums that they are predominantly Atlanto-Med and are famous for their dark hairs...but in UK, people from Welsh origin didn't look to me much different from English...

The Welsh are not Atlanto - Mediterraneans. That is nonsense. They are well among the palest - skinned, most freckled, ginger - haired on the face of the earth. They are closely related to the Cornish, Scottish, Irish people. They are not specifically different from other British people. Although there are different frequencies, the Welsh are less blonde - haired than the English and Scottish as a whole, with more dark hair, but they are paler.

[Watersater79]

LOL at this thread. Welsh people are far more nothern shifted than that. You can't tell Welsh people from English.

The WALES national football team. Current squad. The following 28 players were called up for the UEFA European Championship qualifying matches against Croatia on 8 June and Hungary on 11 June.

GOALKEEPERS
Wayne Hennessey

Adam Davies

Danny Ward

DEFENDERS
Ben Williams

Chris Gunter

Chris Mepham

Connor Roberts

James Lawrence

Joe Rodon

Tom Lockyer

MIDFIELDERS
Daniel James

David Brooks

Dylan Levitt

Harry Wilson

Joe Allen

Jonny Williams

Matthew Smith

Will Vaulks

FORWARDS
Ben Woodburn

Gareth Bale

George Thomas

Kieffer Moore

Sam Vokes

Tom Lawrence


The rest of players are not ethnically Welsh (Ashley Williams, Neil Taylor, Ethan Ampadu and Rabbi Matondo).

The Welsh football team is a terrible example because the majority have strong English connections. Gareth Bale's surname is not of Welsh origin and his grandmother on his mother's side was from England too.

[Watersater79]

English of course. Both overlap massively genetically as it is, but combine the fact that Wales has 25% of its population originating from England with migrations that have been happening for 100s of years it’s no wonder both will usually be each other’s top pop on calcs.

The English are equidistant between the Welsh and Dutch. In a wider European context there is massive overlap, but at face value it has now been surmised that the English share 30% of their DNA with those from Cymru. Anyhow, I would say the Welsh are sort of intermediate between the Irish/Northern French. In the bigger picture, I wouldn't say the Welsh differ markedly from their neighboring brethren, but they do seem to have less 'wonky' features than the English or Irish.

[Iron7558]

I'd expect the Welsh are somewhere between the English and Irish, as they retained their Brythonic form and a lot of the Britons fleeing the Anglo-Saxons moved into Wales. The Anglo-Saxons have a heavy presence there too, which would tie them in with Scotland and England.

[Grace O'Malley]

If you go by genetics the people that overlap with the Welsh the most are in this order; the English, the Scots and then the Irish.

[Septentrion]

I have read in anthro forums that they are predominantly Atlanto-Med and are famous for their dark hairs...but in UK, people from Welsh origin didn't look to me much different from English...

No, they aren’t! Stop being a fool! Why would you expect a Mediterranean racial strain so far away? No benefit for it, so far north especially with the nasty gloomy weather!

[Septentrion]

I'd expect the Welsh are somewhere between the English and Irish, as they retained their Brythonic form and a lot of the Britons fleeing the Anglo-Saxons moved into Wales. The Anglo-Saxons have a heavy presence there too, which would tie them in with Scotland and England.

Modern Welsh are 30% Anglo-Saxon genetically! Go figure.

[Davystayn]

I have read in anthro forums that they are predominantly Atlanto-Med and are famous for their dark hairs...but in UK, people from Welsh origin didn't look to me much different from English...

This is Anglo propaganda, there is a higher neolithic survival in Wales and the Silurians were a tribe noted by their dark looks but the other tribes were more 'caledonian' according to the Romans. There is a dark stereotype but this is an Anglo derived historical 'otherness' inherited over centuries.