No pan-Germanic flag - should we design one?

[TheGoldenSon]

The blue-white-red Slavic flag was actually taken from the Dutch flag. Also, if I remember correctly the Kolovrat was used earlier by Germanic peoples living in what is nowadays Poland.

Germans never used Kolovrat (we did share Swastika), it is a Slavic symbol found ONLY in Slavic lands.

[Beit El]

Germans never used Kolovrat (we did share Swastika), it is a Slavic symbol found ONLY in Slavic lands.

You're right, I confused the Kolovrat with the 'Hands of God' symbol:



It's sometimes used by Slavic neo-pagans even though it is a pre-Slavic symbol stemming from the Germanic Przeworsk culture.

[OnceLord]

It has always struck me that the 'pan-Germanic' cultural symbols seem to focus exclusively on the pre Christian/pagan past rather than the more current Christian one..

I am no fan of what Christianity has become as an organised religion, don't get me wrong.. But a staunchly 'paganist' set of cultural identifiers seemed like it permanently grounded the ideology of the symbols.

I would think a pan-Germanic flag would get more (positive) attention if it incorporated some Christian elements in it, there are a lot of beautiful things in Christianity that can be taken up at least as symbols, such as the churches, angels..

Just my two pennies

[Beit El]

It has always struck me that the 'pan-Germanic' cultural symbols seem to focus exclusively on the pre Christian/pagan past rather than the more current Christian one..

I am no fan of what Christianity has become as an organised religion, don't get me wrong.. But a staunchly 'paganist' set of cultural identifiers seemed like it permanently grounded the ideology of the symbols.

I would think a pan-Germanic flag would get more (positive) attention if it incorporated some Christian elements in it, there are a lot of beautiful things in Christianity that can be taken up at least as symbols, such as the churches, angels..

Just my two pennies

That's because there was no 'pan-Germanic' culture left after the Christening of the Germanic peoples, and even before that they already started to drift apart ever so slightly. If we want pan-Germanic symbolism we'll have to look at pre-700 AD.

We aren't even talking about religion, we are simply talking about culture. What explicit Germanic symbology appeared after 1000 AD?

[Rudel]

Cross is pan germanic. I know from playing europa universalis lol

In the wake of the crusades, there's not been a single Christian kingdom that didn't boast a crossed standard at some point.

The original term for Germany in the English language was Dutchland (Deutschland) but after a while the English only used it for the Netherlands and were in need for a new term - so they took "Germany", the former Roman term for what today is Germany. It doesn't say much that in English we are called Germans - the Scandinavian people call us "tysk" which is the Nordic term for "deutsch", same root. To be honest, I don't like "German" too much because it is very easy to mix it up with "Germanic".

Don't worry, you're just allemand to us. You're named after the first properly German tribe we came in contact with and defeated/annexed (Alemans, that is modern Alsatians, German Swiss and Swabians). Thiois, from Late Latin theodiscus, exists in the North East, but it's a dialectal word. English used to have the word Alman.

If we want to make a pan-Germanic flag we should return to pan-Germanic times. Use pre-Christian, pre-German, pre-Dutch symbolism instead. Dutch, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian are all anti-Germanic concepts that serve only to divide.

Good luck negating more than two thousand years of separate history.

If you mean THE cross, as in the christian cross, then no. That cross was used as a tool for punishment, which found it's usage in the Roman Republic and Empire. Given the fact that Rome waged war against the Germanic tribes, it would be no wonder that many members of those tribes found their painful death on the cross too, it would be bad to use it as a symbol. Even if you take into context it's symbolism in christianity, that is an israeli man being killed on it by the Romans in Israel, then still it is a disregard to all forms of pre-christian Germanic traditions and heretige, which existed long before the Germanic, and all other people in Europe, were submitted to middle eastern mythology.

Some stylized version of Irminsul could work for a pan-Germanic flag:

Kek. Saxon genocide best day of my life.

[Pennywise]

In the wake of the crusades, there's not been a single Christian kingdom that didn't boast a crossed standard at some point.


Don't worry, you're just allemand to us. You're named after the first properly German tribe we came in contact with and defeated/annexed (Alemans, that is modern Alsatians, German Swiss and Swabians). Thiois, from Late Latin theodiscus, exists in the North East, but it's a dialectal word. English used to have the word Alman.


Good luck negating more than two thousand years of separate history.



Kek. Saxon genocide best day of my life.

Same for us. We call them "Alman" which is probably barrowed from French. A Pan-Turkic state (aka Turan) is more rationalistic than this comedy.

[StonyArabia]

Germans and Austrians is how far Pan-Germanism will go, I doubt the English will join, and it will just create more rivalries in which Germanic group dominates the other.

[Beit El]

Germans and Austrians is how far Pan-Germanism will go, I doubt the English will join, and it will just create more rivalries in which Germanic group dominates the other.

This thread isn't about pan-Germanism. It's about pan-Germanicism.

[Aerilion]

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There was this group of people on an online game called CyberNations that created a Germanic fascist empire called Nordreich. The flag is pretty sweet, although kind of complicated and looks more like a flag for a specific country rather than something that could be used as a pan-Germanic symbol.

I especially like the darker red compared to the color of Nazi flags. But it's not as associated with Germany as the Imperial tricolour or the Nazi Reichskriegsflagge is, neither is it associated with Scandinavia as all of the variations on the Scandinavian cross flag are. Sure it still has the Scandinavian cross, but it's different enough from actual Scandinavian flags. And the cross is different enough from traditional Christian crosses that it shouldn't rub too many pagans the wrong way.

[Al-Meksiki]

How about this

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I designed it and can explain it

The Nordic Cross design encompasses Scandinavia, the center cross bears the colors of England, plus hearkens back to the English flag using St. George's Cross, while the use of Black, Red and White is as the colors used in the German Empire. Finally the Irmunsul is used to represent the ancient germanic tribes, and its T like shape represents the proto-germanic word þeudō, meaning People, or Nation, and the word from which Deutsch, Dutch, Theod, Diet, and þjóð come from.