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Thread: Is Nagorno-Karabakh Armenian or Azerbaijani land?

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    The Armenian Stronghold in Nogorno-Karabakh, also known by its Armenian name Artzakh, is more than a political struggle provides territorial integrity, but a question of human rights, as well. Armenia's historical claims to the Armenian Highland Areas are valid, supported by the data of historical maps which date back to the days of the Roman Empire, despite that Azeris and Turks claim that Azerbaijan's territorial integrity was violated.

    The Nogorno-Karabakh struggle evolved into a full scale war between the Armenians in Artzakh, with their alliances, and the Azeris of Azerbaijan, with their alliances. Artzakh's primary allies have been Armenia, Russia and Iran. Azerbaijan's primary allies have been Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan (including the Taliban), Israel, Chechnya, and other Islamic States as well.

    The USA has given aid and comfort to both sides in the conflict, and so too with some other Western Countries.

    During the days of the USSR, the Soviets tended to favor the Azeris over the Armenians, in part, because the Bolsheviks in the early 20th Century yielded much Armenian territory to Azerbaijan, Turkey, and even Georgia. To uphold the status quo, the Soviets tended to side with the Azeris, but Russia turned against Azerbaijan, after witnessing numerous Azeri human rights violations, in their own political neighborhood.

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    There were numerous human rights violations, perpetrated by the Turkish Azeris in Azerbaijan, especially during the years just prior to the collapse of the USSR, and shortly after as well (1988-1992). This Documentary gives a description of some of the terror and murder perpetrated by Azeris, during those years.

    [YOUTUBE]eHIriN_28hY[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    Thousands of Turks...
    They don't count. Somehow I doubt they'll take the Armenian side on this anyway.

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    It should. Against the Turkic Muslims on all fronts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    In your opinion, does Nagorno-Karabakh rightfully belong to Armenia or Azerbaijan?
    And what of other Armenian territories in Georgia and Eastern Turkey?

    I tend to take the Armenians side on the territorial disputes. I think Nagorno-Karabakh should be incorporated into Armenia with a corridor linking it.
    Thank You! The Lachin Corridor serves as a paved transportation highway that links Armenia with the Armenian stronghold in Karabakh, also known as Artzakh, but, Armenian Security Forces control everything between Armenia and Nogorno-Karabakh, all the way to the Iranian Border. A second transportation link is under construction to the North of the Lachin Corridor.

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has always recognized and appreciated the importance of the Lachin Corridor, but it has failed to comprehend the strategic importance of the entire swath of territory that lies between Armenia and Karabakh (Artzakh).

    Without all of the security zones around the originally disputed area of Nogorno-Karabakh, the Armenian Defenses would be weakened. The entire Armenian population in Karabakh (Artzakh) would be put at risk of annihilation, including the women and children. But, the OSCE wants Armenia orchestrate a compromise, by turning over most of their security zones to Azerbaijan, despite that they're all historically part of the Armenian Highlands since antiquity. Despite overt military threats, voiced by the leadership of Azerbaijan, Armenian Negotiators have been manipulated into accepting many of the proposals for compromise, recommended by the OSCE.

    http://www.armenianow.com/karabakh/3...nce_mandate_eu

    So, I would recommend that Armenia retain all of the security zones around the original disputed area, because without them, the original disputed area would be strategically compromised, and could conceivably be overrun by the Azeri Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    The Purple boundary here is fair, near enough.

    It's from the Treaty of Sevres, after the Great War. Notice how the Georgians are also united with their linguistic cousins in Lazistan, partly in compensation for loss of majority Armenian areas within their present republic (whose lines were drawn by Stalin).

    Aye, but no need for a corridor. The two territories should be more firmly linked, and indeed already are. My Tsarist period maps don't show the intervening territory as predominantly Turkic, anyway. If anything, there were more Kurds there than Azeris in 1860ish.
    You're 100% Correct, in this Post! The territorial integrity of Armenia has been seriously violated. Woodrow Wilson's proposal in the Treaty of Sevres was created to restore territorial integrity to Armenia, and give a place of refuge for genocide survivors, after World War I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Thank You! The Lachin Corridor serves as a paved transportation highway that links Armenia with the Armenian stronghold in Karabakh, also known as Artzakh, but, Armenian Security Forces control everything between Armenia and Nogorno-Karabakh, all the way to the Iranian Border. A second transportation link is under construction to the North of the Lachin Corridor.

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has always recognized and appreciated the importance of the Lachin Corridor, but it has failed to comprehend the strategic importance of the entire swath of territory that lies between Armenia and Karabakh (Artzakh).

    Without all of the security zones around the originally disputed area of Nogorno-Karabakh, the Armenian Defenses would be weakened. The entire Armenian population in Karabakh (Artzakh) would be put at risk of annihilation, including the women and children. But, the OSCE wants Armenia orchestrate a compromise, by turning over most of their security zones to Azerbaijan, despite that they're all historically part of the Armenian Highlands since antiquity. Despite overt military threats, voiced by the leadership of Azerbaijan, Armenian Negotiators have been manipulated into accepting many of the proposals for compromise, recommended by the OSCE.

    http://www.armenianow.com/karabakh/3...nce_mandate_eu

    So, I would recommend that Armenia retain all of the security zones around the original disputed area, because without them, the original disputed area would be strategically compromised, and could conceivably be overrun by the Azeri Turks.
    Yes, to have a territory completely surrounded by a hostile nation without a connection to the outside world is ridiculous.
    Azerbaijan could blockade it, invade or do anything it wanted with it. The Lachin Corridor is a complete necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Yes, to have a territory completely surrounded by a hostile nation without a connection to the outside world is ridiculous.
    Azerbaijan could blockade it, invade or do anything it wanted with it. The Lachin Corridor is a complete necessity.
    Unfortunately, The Lachin Corridor isn't enough to guarantee security for Karabakh Armenians. It's only a tenuous and narrow strip of land, with a paved highway. But, that is one of the proposals advanced by the OSCE. Without all of the security zones that surround the original disputed area of Nogorno-Karabakh, the Armenians in Artzakh (Karabakh) would in fact be surrounded. But, that's one of the proposals, forwarded by the OSCE, for a negotiated peace.

    Armenians need the area around Kelbajar, as well as Lachin, to connect the entire Western Border of Nogorno-Karabakh to the Eastern Border of Armenia. They also need the area around Fizuli, which gives Karabakh a solid border with Armenia's ally, Iran. And, the area Agdam, gives Karabakh a security zone to the East, to give additional protection for Armenian Civilians in their Artzakh Stronghold, at Karabakh.

    Another Words, the Lachin Corridor isn't enough, because without the other Security Zones, Nogorno-Karabakh, the original area of dispute, would still be surrounded by hostile Azeri Turks on all Fronts. The Lachin Corridor would be a vulnerable tenuous supply link, vulnerable to Azeri aggression and military threats. To defend Karabakh, Armenians need a strategically sound position, and more than simply a Lachin Corridor.

    Besides, all of those areas which Azeris claim are occupied territories, are in fact historically part of Armenia, from days of antiquity. Should Armenians be compelled to give them away, by the OSCE, then the remaining areas would be under duress of the equivalent of a death sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Unfortunately, The Lachin Corridor isn't enough to guarantee security for Karabakh Armenians. It's only a tenuous and narrow strip of land, with a paved highway. But, that is one of the proposals advanced by the OSCE. Without all of the security zones that surround the original disputed area of Nogorno-Karabakh, the Armenians in Artzakh (Karabakh) would in fact be surrounded. But, that's one of the proposals, forwarded by the OSCE, for a negotiated peace.

    Armenians need the area around Kelbajar, as well as Lachin, to connect the entire Western Border of Nogorno-Karabakh to the Eastern Border of Armenia. They also need the area around Fizuli, which gives Karabakh a solid border with Armenia's ally, Iran. And, the area Agdam, gives Karabakh a security zone to the East, to give additional protection for Armenian Civilians in their Artzakh Stronghold, at Karabakh.

    Another Words, the Lachin Corridor isn't enough, because without the other Security Zones, Nogorno-Karabakh, the original area of dispute, would still be surrounded by hostile Azeri Turks on all Fronts. The Lachin Corridor would be a vulnerable tenuous supply link, vulnerable to Azeri aggression and military threats. To defend Karabakh, Armenians need a strategically sound position, and more than simply a Lachin Corridor.

    Besides, all of those areas which Azeris claim are occupied territories, are in fact historically part of Armenia, from days of antiquity. Should Armenians be compelled to give them away, by the OSCE, then the remaining areas would be under duress of the equivalent of a death sentence.
    I see. Well this is ideally how I'd like to see Armenia until the lands Turkey took can be reclaimed...



    I wish Azerbaijan would just renounce its claim to the region. I hate it when countries claim territories which don't rightfully belong to them and are not populated by their people based upon badly drawn borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    I see. Well this is ideally how I'd like to see Armenia until the lands Turkey took can be reclaimed...

    I wish Azerbaijan would just renounce its claim to the region. I hate it when countries claim territories which don't rightfully belong to them and are not populated by their people based upon badly drawn borders.
    A bit contradictory there.

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