View Poll Results: Nagorno-Karabakh should be part of Armenia?

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Thread: Is Nagorno-Karabakh Armenian or Azerbaijani land?

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    I get the impression that the Nagorno-Karabakh issue is maintained by the Russians as a card to play in its great game, much like South Ossetia. Russia and America turn up, or lower, the heat on these little squabbles in the Caucasus and the Balkans according to their own agendas. Nationalists who are easily riled up about them are merely tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    A bit contradictory there.
    Well you would say that wouldn't you? But I don't think it applies when a population has been relatively recently forced out of territories or assimilated as in eastern Turkey.
    Turkey forced away the Armenians and filled it full of Turks, Kurds and assimilated peoples in order to claim the region for Turkey. It is Armenian and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    I see. Well this is ideally how I'd like to see Armenia until the lands Turkey took can be reclaimed...



    I wish Azerbaijan would just renounce its claim to the region. I hate it when countries claim territories which don't rightfully belong to them and are not populated by their people based upon badly drawn borders.
    The map you provided, of Karabakh and Armenia is a very good one. It shows all of the area controlled by Armenians, including The Republic of Armenia, and the Armenian Republic of Karabakh, to the East of Armenia. Karabakh Armenians can't afford to gift away any of their lands, especially because there could be mortal consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    It is Armenian and you know it.
    I know the region has been under Turkish control for the last millennium and while there was an Armenian population that was forced out, they were a minority and that Armenians fought for it again in 1920 only to be soundly beaten.

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    What the fuck are we even talking to Turks about this for? Piss off, Mehmet; we don't give a FUCK what you think.

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    My rule of thumb in life is, "whatever hurts the Saracens"

    This would clearly hurt the Saracens, so I vote "yes"

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    I don't think that it has anything to do with Saracens since most Azeris are irreligious. I for one vote yes simply cause I don't see legitimate reasons for this territory to stay with Azerbaidjan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    I don't think that it has anything to do with Saracens since most Azeris are irreligious. I for one vote yes simply cause I don't see legitimate reasons for this territory to stay with Azerbaidjan.
    Azeris still belong to the Islamic (Saracen) civilization, though. You don't have to be a religious Muslim to be part of Islamic Civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    Azeris still belong to the Islamic (Saracen) civilization, though. You don't have to be a religious Muslim to be part of Islamic Civilization.
    Hm, I would definetely say that they are Middle Eastern (when I went from Georgia to Azerbaidjan it felt like I magically entered the new realm - so different were the attitudes of folks around me) but they are not the type to pose any threat to the West (except for some troublesome migrants).
    Last edited by Padre Organtino; 03-30-2012 at 12:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    A bit contradictory there.
    When accusing others, and their country of contradictions, first look at yourself in the mirror, you may find that Turkey has walked into a minefield of contradictions:

    Turkey supports Azeri demands for restoration of territorial integrity for Azerbaijan, at the expense of the local population in Karabakh who demand self-determination. This despite that Armenia's territorial integrity was violated, when the Soviets gifted it to Azerbaijan, in the 1920's, and the liberation of Karabakh currently serves as a restoration of Armenia's territorial integrity in that region.

    At the same time that they demand the restoration of territorial integrity for Azerbaijan, Turkey refuses to give restoration to Armenia's territorial integrity, with the return of Armenian territories, as determined by the Treaty of Sevres, at the conclusion of World War I. Therefore, Turkey is a bundle of contradictions.

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