Is Nagorno-Karabakh Armenian or Azerbaijani land?

[riverman]

If you want to act like a child, that's your choice. Fact remains fact is that Karabakh cessation was initiated within Soviet's borders, hence, it was Soviet Law that applied to their secession from Azeri entity.

Whats the relevance to the OP question? That doesn't help your credibility.

[Twistedmind]

Armenian. It was Armenian even when Erevan was not. That's place where last Armenian princedoms survived, 5 malikdoms of Hamsa, and where their Catholicate of Afghank trived.

[Yalquzaq]

Armenian. It was Armenian even when Erevan was not. That's place where last Armenian princedoms survived, 5 malikdoms of Hamsa, and where their Catholicate of Afghank trived.

Karabakh was firmly under Turkic control since Seljuqs (except for the Mongol period), and before its conquest by Russia it was home to Karabakh Khanate which was of Turkic Azerbaijani origin (actually Karabakh was not even really conquered by Russia, the Khan of Karabakh aligned himself with Russian Empire).

[Baluarte]

Seljuks are not native to Anatolia nor Armenia.

[Yalquzaq]

And who talks about Seljuqs? I replied to "Twistedmind"s clueless claim. Like said, Karabakh was under Turkic rule since Seljuqs, all the way until the region became a part of Russian Empire.

A sidenote: Karabakh (Qarabağ) has a pure Turkic etymology.

[Twistedmind]

And who talks about Seljuqs? I replied to "Twistedmind"s clueless claim. Like said, Karabakh was under Turkic rule since Seljuqs, all the way until the region became a part of Russian Empire.

Really? I tought it was Persian before Russian conquest. And before XVIII century it was ruled by Armenian pricnes who were vasals of Persian rulers (even "Turkic" Quizzilbashas). I do not state "clueleess claims" as yo see.

A sidenote: Karabakh (Qarabağ) has a pure Turkic etymology.

Sure and it means nothing, first part of sintagma has clear Slavic etimology Nagorno, and it is not Slavic land.

[gregorius]

Karabach historical name is Artshak as we call it,
Arsthak (Karabach) has been in Safavid rule for a couple of centuries

Arsthak was part of the armenian kingdom since 189 BC,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...dom_of_Armenia

[Yalquzaq]

Really? I tought it was Persian before Russian conquest. And before XVIII century it was ruled by Armenian pricnes who were vasals of Persian rulers (even "Turkic" Quizzilbashas). I do not state "clueleess claims" as yo see.

Sure and it means nothing, first part of sintagma has clear Slavic etimology Nagorno, and it is not Slavic land.

First of all, FYI Iran was ruled by Turkic Azerbaijani dynasties until 1925, so "Persian" term is really inappropriate here. However, prior to Russian conquest, the area was not even under the rule of Iran, which at that time was ruled by Turkic Qajars. But even then, the area would had been locally ruled by Turkic Azerbaijani Khans as vassals of Iran's Turkic Azerbaijani Shahs. But that was not even the case like said, local Azerbaijani Khanates had been independent since the death of Nadir Shah Afshar, and when Qajars invaded Caucasus, they aligned themselves with Russian Empire instead. See the Treaty of Kurekchay between Karabakh Khanate and Russian Empire.

Yes, that is a clueless claim. During the Safavid period, the area was home to Karabakh Beglerbeglik, it would be impossible to be ruled by "Armenian princes", it was ruled by a Turkic Qizilbash beg (chief), which would be the Beglerbeg of the Karabakh Beglerbeglik.

"Nagorno" is not really a part of the Karabakh etymology (its a recent thing), its Azerbaijani equivalent is "Dağlıq" anyway. We are talking about "Karabakh" itself.

[Yalquzaq]

Karabach historical name is Artshak as we call it

Qarabağ's historical name is Qarabağ. Its not a recent thing, it has been called "Qarabağ" since middle-ages.

[gregorius]

Qarabağ's historical name is Qarabağ. Its not a recent thing, it has been called "Qarabağ" since middle-ages.

We called it Artshak since 189 BC, Karabach isnt Historical.