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    Armenians invaded the Karabagh region and killed the Azerbaijani people thats why Azerbaijanis are minority there Karabagh is Azerbaijani lands

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    Interview Question from Al-Ahram Weekly: The Azerbaijani authorities claim that Nagorno-Karabakh is Azeri territory and that it should be “liberated” from Armenian troops. What is your comment?

    Answer, from the President of Armenia: This claim is absolute nonsense and a cover story to justify the Azerbaijanis’ genocidal intentions against the Armenians, and here is why. Nagorno-Karabakh, or historical Artsakh, being always overwhelmingly populated by Armenians, has never been part of independent Azerbaijan. Even the League of Nations, founded by Woodrow Wilson, rejected the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic’s membership in 1920 because it disputed Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia.

    During the Sovietisation of the Caucasus by the Bolsheviks in 1920-1921, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh was occupied by the Bolsheviks, and in 1921 was incorporated into the territorial-administrative boundaries of Soviet Azerbaijan, which was not an independent state, but was a part of the Soviet Union. Following decades of continued discrimination, the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1987-88 started to raise their voices to re-join Armenia, using peaceful demonstrations and letters to the authorities in order to do so. This coincided with mounting ethnically-motivated persecutions in Soviet Azerbaijan, which culminated in the Armenian pogroms in the Azerbaijani cities of Sumgait, Baku and Kirovabad (Ganja), accompanied by mass killings, harassment and ethnic cleansing.

    Because of this, the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh initiated a referendum and declared their independence in December 1991 from Soviet Azerbaijan in compliance with the Soviet Union’s Constitution. It is crucial to realise that the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh declared their sovereignty and separated from Soviet Union earlier than Azerbaijan and on the same legal basis as Azerbaijan, which in fact became independent without Nagorno-Karabakh. However, despite this and other facts that make Azerbaijan’s claims incompatible, the regime of Aliyev in Baku seeks to militarily oppress the right of Armenians of Artsakh to live in their homeland in the way they prefer to, in its pursuit of the forcible taking of the land and cleansing it from its traditional inhabitants and their heritage, acting like 17th-century colonists ignoring basic fundamental rights.

    Baku managed to use this method for the first time in 1991-1994, when it openly attacked the provinces of Nagorno-Karabakh after the latter’s referendum and declaration of independence, and it is doing the same now. Therefore, I believe that Azerbaijan ultimately lost any right towards Nagorno-Karabakh from the moment it started its aggressive military campaign wrapped in open racism and animosity towards all Armenians.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...Zw2KcTEvrnoSig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Interview Question from Al-Ahram Weekly: The Azerbaijani authorities claim that Nagorno-Karabakh is Azeri territory and that it should be “liberated” from Armenian troops. What is your comment?

    Answer, from the President of Armenia: This claim is absolute nonsense and a cover story to justify the Azerbaijanis’ genocidal intentions against the Armenians, and here is why. Nagorno-Karabakh, or historical Artsakh, being always overwhelmingly populated by Armenians, has never been part of independent Azerbaijan. Even the League of Nations, founded by Woodrow Wilson, rejected the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic’s membership in 1920 because it disputed Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia.

    During the Sovietisation of the Caucasus by the Bolsheviks in 1920-1921, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh was occupied by the Bolsheviks, and in 1921 was incorporated into the territorial-administrative boundaries of Soviet Azerbaijan, which was not an independent state, but was a part of the Soviet Union. Following decades of continued discrimination, the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1987-88 started to raise their voices to re-join Armenia, using peaceful demonstrations and letters to the authorities in order to do so. This coincided with mounting ethnically-motivated persecutions in Soviet Azerbaijan, which culminated in the Armenian pogroms in the Azerbaijani cities of Sumgait, Baku and Kirovabad (Ganja), accompanied by mass killings, harassment and ethnic cleansing.

    Because of this, the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh initiated a referendum and declared their independence in December 1991 from Soviet Azerbaijan in compliance with the Soviet Union’s Constitution. It is crucial to realise that the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh declared their sovereignty and separated from Soviet Union earlier than Azerbaijan and on the same legal basis as Azerbaijan, which in fact became independent without Nagorno-Karabakh. However, despite this and other facts that make Azerbaijan’s claims incompatible, the regime of Aliyev in Baku seeks to militarily oppress the right of Armenians of Artsakh to live in their homeland in the way they prefer to, in its pursuit of the forcible taking of the land and cleansing it from its traditional inhabitants and their heritage, acting like 17th-century colonists ignoring basic fundamental rights.

    Baku managed to use this method for the first time in 1991-1994, when it openly attacked the provinces of Nagorno-Karabakh after the latter’s referendum and declaration of independence, and it is doing the same now. Therefore, I believe that Azerbaijan ultimately lost any right towards Nagorno-Karabakh from the moment it started its aggressive military campaign wrapped in open racism and animosity towards all Armenians.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...Zw2KcTEvrnoSig
    The Israel-Azerbaijan Alliance: Iran, Arms & Oil by Kevork Almassian, a Syrian-Armenian political commentator:


    A bit old, but it gives a proper on the relations between Israel and the Turkic states in the region. Love his accent btw. He has a Twitter account:
    https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian

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    Whoever wants it more will have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdepo View Post
    Whoever wants it more will have it
    Basically, Azerbaijan and Turkey are throwing a lot of mud at the wall, to see what sticks. But, they have an immense amount of mud to throw around; meanwhile, the outnumbered Armenians rely upon razor sharpe tactical and strategic skill, from well prepared defenses. Azerbaijan, a population of 10,000,000; Turkey, a population of 82,000,000 (with thousands of terrorists); Armenia, a population of 3,000,000; and, Armenia's Artsakh Stronghold, with a population of 150,000; add up the numbers, and it'll look like two schoolyard bullies against one brave little karate kid (with his teacher).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Basically, Azerbaijan and Turkey are throwing a lot of mud at the wall, to see what sticks. But, they have an immense amount of much to throw around; meanwhile, the outnumbered Armenians rely upon razor sharpe tactical and strategic skill, from well prepared defenses. Azerbaijan, a population of 10,000,000; Turkey, a population of 82,000,000 (with thousands of terrorists); Armenia, a population of 300,000,000; and, Armenia's Artsakh Stronghold, with a population of 150,000; add up the numbers, and it'll look like two schoolyard bullies against one brave little karady kid.
    Sounds like every other land dispute

    Once your in the war, the war controls you, you dont control the war, so don't register next time and you won't be tear-posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdepo View Post
    Sounds like every other land dispute

    Once your in the war, the war controls you, you dont control the war, so don't register next time and you won't be tear-posting
    Try some deep level understanding, which takes more effort, instead of a judgmental simplistic explanation, better suited for the preschool age pool area. In the first place, it's not like every other war (or land dispute); but, surely other wars (land disputes) can be found that resemble it. You don't understand this war, because your explanation is simply wrong. Armenians are defending their homes and people, while Azerbaijan is attacking, with a bruised ego, because they lost a war, three decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Basically, Azerbaijan and Turkey are throwing a lot of mud at the wall, to see what sticks. But, they have an immense amount of mud to throw around; meanwhile, the outnumbered Armenians rely upon razor sharpe tactical and strategic skill, from well prepared defenses. Azerbaijan, a population of 10,000,000; Turkey, a population of 82,000,000 (with thousands of terrorists); Armenia, a population of 3,000,000; and, Armenia's Artsakh Stronghold, with a population of 150,000; add up the numbers, and it'll look like two schoolyard bullies against one brave little karate kid (with his teacher).
    Armenia vs Azerbaijan in a nutshell:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Try some deep level understanding, which takes more effort, instead of a judgmental simplistic explanation, better suited for the preschool age pool area. In the first place, it's not like every other war (or land dispute); but, surely other wars (land disputes) can be found that resemble it. You don't understand this war, because your explanation is simply wrong. Armenians are defending their homes and people, while Azerbaijan is attacking, with a bruised ego, because they lost a war, three decades ago.
    So what your boy Stalin and Hitler cause your basically to me some Georgian-German mutt took my land after we smeshed Russians 2 decades before and a year after we smeshed the German nazis, and then a clown as you got born from them both lol and you can't even fight! And we still don't have our land!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdepo View Post
    So what your boy Stalin and Hitler cause your basically to me some Georgian-German mutt took my land after we smeshed Russians 2 decades before and a year after we smeshed the German nazis, and then a clown as you got born from them both lol and you can't even fight! And we still don't have our land!
    Oh, I didn't know that you're another butt-hurt Azeri-Turk. Try improving your English skills, because I hardly even understand what you're trying to say; in fact, it isn't even legible. When you can write a sentence better, without abusing the English language, then get back to me, so that I can again denounce your distorted and demented understanding of reality.

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