Was ancient Macedonian Greek?

[Uski]

No, I just hate it when people willfully lie about history to advance their agenda.

Any one ethnic group can do that, including greeks and us albanians. However it doesnt justify some of the more insane claims maks make

[Epirus DNA]

Greek nationalists like to claim that the native language of the Macedonians was Greek. But it seems like they were originally non-Greeks who later got assimilated.

It is also commonly known that Greek language was used as Lingua Franca during this time and was used by royalties and in formal discourse while the people spoke Macedonian.

If the Macedonians were not Greek... then why did Alexander the Greats father, Philip II of Macedon prove his Greek Bloodline so that he could compete in the Greek Olympics?
It's a historical FACT that Philip II of Macedon had Greek blood.

[Uski]

just my opinion, and it makes sense geographically , if Todays maks just called themselves paeonians instead, maybe this wouldnt be such a big deal, however A.Maks do have a better history so theres that i guess

[Dorian]

just my opinion, and it makes sense geographically , if Todays maks just called themselves paeonians instead, maybe this wouldnt be such a big deal, however A.Maks do have a better history so theres that i guess

Yes paeonian would be more accurate but still it'd be the equivalent of turks saying they are anatolians=solution=skopje shared between its three neighbors.

[Uski]

If the Macedonians were not Greek... then why did Alexander the Greats father, Philip II of Macedon prove his Greek Bloodline so that he could compete in the Greek Olympics?

.... so he could participate in the olympic games? You answered your own question here mate



It's a historical FACT that Philip II of Macedon had Greek blood.

He also had Lynkestian blood from his grandmother. Alexander had epirote blood so he was epirote. (???) Its really confusing what youre putting forward

[Uski]

Yes paeonian would be more accurate but still it'd be the equivalent of turks saying they are anatolians=solution=skopje shared between its three neighbors.

Although that would benefit its neighbours, i dont think its realistic. Its like saying we can form Greater albania. Fantastic? Yes. Realistic. no

As for turks, they really are a mix of different peoples, say muslim refugees there, but from a geographic standpoint, it could make sense, say i am "balkanian" or whatever

[wvwvw]

First you claim hellenic=greek, wich you pulled out of your metaphorical behind. They are not Synonmyms. Simply put:All greeks are hellenes,most Hellenes are Greek, not are Hellenes are Greek, including possibly macedonians.

Which Hellenes are not Greek? The Hellenes are a subset of Greeks. The Hellenes weren't founded until about 1400 BC.

The Greeks and Hellenes were the two most prominent tribes in Greece. The Hellenes were the decedents of Hellen the son of Deukalion and was applied by the Greeks to refer to the Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians and Achaeans collectively. The Hellenes spoke the Doric, Aeolic and Attic-Ionic dialects.

The Greeks were called Greeks after Graecus the son of Thessalus the son of Haemon the son of Pelasgus, and Pandora the daughter of Deukalion. The Pelasgians spoke the Arcado-Cypriot-Mycenean dialect of Greek. All the Hellenic dialects, Doric, Aeolic, Achaean and Attic-Ionic were descended from Pelasgian. The Pelasgians did not follow the rules of Greek grammar and did not speak the Hellenic dialect of Greek so Herodotus calls them Barbarians even though Herodotus and every other write said that without a doubt Greek was descended from Pelasgic.

The Hellenes were of the Iapetid line, and the Greeks were of the Oceanid line. Deukalion was descended from Iapetus and Argos from Oceanus both sons of Uranus. They were therefore the same people. The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi.

The Pelasgians and Aigialeans were part of the Inachid line which was part of the Oceanid and originated from the Peloponnese which was originally named after them Pelasgia and Aigialea. The capital of Macedonia was Pella which means settlement and before that it was Aigai. Deukalion was part of the Iapetid line and he came from Phthiotis. Phthiotis gets its name from Iapetus which in the bible is spelled Japheth hence Phthio-tis. Zeus was part of the Cronid line and even the name of Crete or Kriti is a corruption of Zeus's title Kronidis.

The people of Greece were descended from 6 founding tribes. 3 of them became almost extinct. 3 survived into the archaic age. The founding tribes assimilated the earlier peoples who inhabited the land in the 18 century BC into 3 or 4 cities with populations of 20,000 to 150,000. These tribes were called Pelasgains or City Dewlers. The Arcadians were originally Pelasgians as were the Aigialeans. Those who did not dwell in the new cities became extinct after the Thera Eruption in 1600 BC because the land could not support them. This mass extinction is pretty well documented. The Kronids ruleld Crete, the Inachids ruled the Peloponnese, the Iapetids ruled Thessaly, the Hyperionids ruled Troy and the eastern Aegean islands.

The Pelasgians did not exist before 1600 BC at the earliest so anything 
before that time cannot possible in any way be called Pelasgian. Nor can it 
be called pre-Greek since the Greeks were already in the Greek peninsular by 
2200 BC and were already in Mycenae by 1600 BC and that is exactly when the 
Pelasgians first appear in the historical record being Argive Greeks who 
migrated to Arcadia and then moved to Thessaly in 1450 BC as well as 
founding colonies in Italy at the same time.

[wvwvw]

Alexander Ruled over the greeks, after his death, his people got assimilated into Greeks.

Where’s the evidence? All evidence show that they spoke Greek well before 600 BC, from the time of the Doric invasions in fact.

The Dorian's were already established a tribe long before Dorus became their king (otherwise he would have had no people to rule over). You need at least 500 years for a dialect to have evolved and the Dorian's were already speaking it when they invaded the Peloponnese in 1100 BC.

Is it possible (ignoring historic evidence that shows that this was not the case) that Macedonians had spoken a non-greek language before 340BC and within a 10-20 year period every Macedonian was fluent in the attic dialect?

[Uski]

Which Hellenes are not Greek? The Hellenes are a subset of Greeks. The Hellenes weren't founded until about 1400 BC.

The Greeks and Hellenes were the two most prominent tribes in Greece. The Hellenes were the decedents of Hellen the son of Deukalion and was applied by the Greeks to refer to the Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians and Achaeans collectively. The Hellenes spoke the Doric, Aeolic and Attic-Ionic dialects.

The Greeks were called Greeks after Graecus the son of Thessalus the son of Haemon the son of Pelasgus, and Pandora the daughter of Deukalion. The Pelasgians spoke the Arcado-Cypriot-Mycenean dialect of Greek. All the Hellenic dialects, Doric, Aeolic, Achaean and Attic-Ionic were descended from Pelasgian. The Pelasgians did not follow the rules of Greek grammar and did not speak the Hellenic dialect of Greek so Herodotus calls them Barbarians even though Herodotus and every other write said that without a doubt Greek was descended from Pelasgic.

The Hellenes were of the Iapetid line, and the Greeks were of the Oceanid line. Deukalion was descended from Iapetus and Argos from Oceanus both sons of Uranus. They were therefore the same people. The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi.

The Pelasgians and Aigialeans were part of the Inachid line which was part of the Oceanid and originated from the Peloponnese which was originally named after them Pelasgia and Aigialea. The capital of Macedonia was Pella which means settlement and before that it was Aigai. Deukalion was part of the Iapetid line and he came from Phthiotis. Phthiotis gets its name from Iapetus which in the bible is spelled Japheth hence Phthio-tis. Zeus was part of the Cronid line and even the name of Crete or Kriti is a corruption of Zeus's title Kronidis.

The people of Greece were descended from 6 founding tribes. 3 of them became almost extinct. 3 survived into the archaic age. The founding tribes assimilated the earlier peoples who inhabited the land in the 18 century BC into 3 or 4 cities with populations of 20,000 to 150,000. These tribes were called Pelasgains or City Dewlers. The Arcadians were originally Pelasgians as were the Aigialeans. Those who did not dwell in the new cities became extinct after the Thera Eruption in 1600 BC because the land could not support them. This mass extinction is pretty well documented. The Kronids ruleld Crete, the Inachids ruled the Peloponnese, the Iapetids ruled Thessaly, the Hyperionids ruled Troy and the eastern Aegean islands.

The Pelasgians did not exist before 1600 BC at the earliest so anything 
before that time cannot possible in any way be called Pelasgian. Nor can it 
be called pre-Greek since the Greeks were already in the Greek peninsular by 
2200 BC and were already in Mycenae by 1600 BC and that is exactly when the 
Pelasgians first appear in the historical record being Argive Greeks who 
migrated to Arcadia and then moved to Thessaly in 1450 BC as well as 
founding colonies in Italy at the same time.

Sure shit sherlock, mind you nobody in their right minds think the pelasgians, who are considered by classical greek scholars as "the forerunners of the greeks/ their ancestors came AFTER the greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

Its like saying English existed before The germanic language

The rest of that ive heard, yes came from here , from there, mind you its all a thesis at best, not even a theory.

The hellenes are not a subset of greeks, its the other way around chief

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_languages

Wait a second how can Hellenes be of the so called iapetiddd line and greeks of the oceanid line if hellenes are a subset of greeks?

Who thinks this way? Any scholars the like of Mr. Deretic?

[Uski]

Where’s the evidence? All evidence show that they spoke Greek well before 600 BC, from the time of the Doric invasions in fact.

The Dorian's were already established a tribe long before Dorus became their king (otherwise he would have had no people to rule over). You need at least 500 years for a dialect to have evolved and the Dorian's were already speaking it when they invaded the Peloponnese in 1100 BC.

Is it possible (ignoring historic evidence that shows that this was not the case) that Macedonians had spoken a non-greek language before 340BC and within a 10-20 year period every Macedonian was fluent in the attic dialect?

Idk where you get your evidence from dear. Let me put it in laymans terms. I am an albanian. I speak Macedonian(slavic) . My entire family speaks it. I am still albanian. Not Macedonian. I need to speak macedonian to find a job,pay bills, go to the doctor,watch a movie a like,talk to macedonian chicks. I have a turksih friend. He speaks turkish and i dont. He doenst speak albanian either. So we talk in something called a bridge language(LINGUA FRANCA) = Mkdnski ? Got it?

The people writing the annals of history back then spoke A.greek, and in order for the A.Macedonians to want to be able to trade,visit,communicate, had to learn A. Greek. Over time they gave up their language, be it for any nr of factors, say to be viewed more prestigiously. This never made them any more greek than a Weeaboo is japanese.

Im just putting it on the modafukin table, you have your opinion and are entitled to it(hurray)