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    Quote Originally Posted by Altay View Post
    The Ottoman Empire was indeed more tolerant to various religious faiths compared to its contemporaries, but probably not due to inherent altruism (which should generally, if not always, be ruled out as a factor in any serious historical analysis).

    For example; Greeks, Armenians and Jews were established urban people and it was in the Ottomans' interest to have them within the empire with their own religious institutions, it helped the commerce flow. And since the Ottomans were a centralized, agrarian society, this policy didn't make these minorities too powerful to control until the rise of European mercantilism and industrialization began to affect the Ottomans.

    After that, Ottoman reforms proved fruitless and the minorities sought to break away (again, probably in pursuit of pragmatic interests and not due to inherent devious national traits). In that period, Ottoman minorities closely resembled the Nazi perception of Jews, except their disloyalty was much more blatant and indeed today, you have every Tom, Dick and Harry among former Ottoman subjects unduly flattering themselves as guardians of Europe against Turks.
    For argument's sake, let's say there were some elements within Greeks and Armenians that went for separation...would that justify the Genocide and brutal extermination of a whole ancient people from their ancestral lands? would it justify the massacres of women and children, forced islamisation, and ethnic cleansing? Or wouldn't the only justifiable thing be arresting/detaining those elements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunette View Post
    How many Kurds were killed?
    Kurds got along fine with the Turks, during the days of the Ottoman Empire, because they served as an instrument of oppression and repression for the Turks, against the Armenian and Assyrian Christians in the empire. Also, Kurds, a Muslim People, were members of the dominant religion of the Ottoman Empire.

    Being Muslim, the Kurds enjoyed the protection of the Ottoman Rulers.

    Kurds were used to oversee the work of Tax Collectors who usually saw to it that they could get a good part of the loot for themselves, when they exploited and robbed Armenians in their principalities. I've heard this first hand, from family stories about my mother's folks who came from a wealthy family in Moush (Muş), northwest of Lake Van, who were periodically robbed by Kurds for the loot.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian–Kurdish_relations

    For the most part, Kurds helped the Turks murder and kill Armenian men, women and children, during the Armenian Genocide (1915-1923), and in massacres that preceded the genocide, as well; also, many Kurds helped the Turks degrade, rape, Islamicize or enslave Armenian women and children, during those years.

    During the last 3 decades, the Turkish Military of the present day Republic of Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurdish men, women and children, because of Kurdish resistance to the Turkification of their people. Also, there has been Turkish abuse of Kurds, and destruction of their private property. This is one example of how Muslims can find themselves fighting and killing other Muslims.

    Unlike the Republic of Turkey, many Kurds have openly apologized for their part in the killings of the Armenian Genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The Armenian Genocide. That's all you care about, like the Jewish Holocaust.

    Yet I have not heard one single word uttered from you ungrateful Armenians in support of German genocide, etc.

    STFU or get out of this thread.
    Really? So when it's mentioned in a thread, with some falsehoods we shouldn't respond to it?

    And how the hell you know that we don't sympathise with other peoples that suffered Genocide? You know how many Armenians gave their lives in fighting the Fascists? There were also notable Armenians that risked their lives for Jews during Holocaust, and were recognised as "Righteous among Nations". So please, stop with your generalisations, without proper knowledge. It's quite annoying.

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    I don't like Turks, so I will not listen to anything you have to say.

    All I can see related to Turkey is one filthy mutty barking dog that needs to be put down, and left for the crows to eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    I don't like Turks, so I will not listen to anything you have to say.
    Learn the truths... and you still can go on hating me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    I don't like Turks, so I will not listen to anything you have to say.
    That's no way towards intellectual honesty.

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    this is pretty low, in general. generally speaking, YouTube videos are the most despicable form of propaganda. If you wanted to be taken seriously, there is no way this would be on a YouTube account. It would be published in a serious historical journal not on blogspot etc. This is despicable propaganda that basically amounts to Turks saying: well, they deserved it. because they revolted during WWI.
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    Thanks for the information adsiz! I generally like propaganda-busting facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis View Post
    this is pretty low, in general. generally speaking, YouTube videos are the most despicable form of propaganda. If you wanted to be taken seriously, there is no way this would be on a YouTube account. It would be published in a serious historical journal not on blogspot etc.
    Several articles of Justin McCarthy was posted here I believe. Also confessions of Hovhannes Katchaznouni should be posted if they were not posted yet.

    This is despicable propaganda that basically amounts to Turks saying: well, they deserved it. because they revolted during WWI.
    Nope, we say, "it was just a security based deportation, not something like Holocaust which aimed to exterminate a society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yabgu View Post
    There is no ethnicity called "Anatolian", and no such thing as "Anatolian Greek genes" or "Armenoid genes".. It is a political rhetoric to cause identity erosion.. Eastern Huns are considered to be the ancestors of modern day Turks and they were a hybrid of Asiatic and Caucasian, but more dominantly Caucasian.. Hun was not an ethnicity itself, but a large tribal confederative structure.. That is why Turks already had a rich genetic pool before the full conquest of Anatolia region..

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