Armenian genocide.

[Gospodine]

Nothing that comes to mind. Why?

Well, your comparison between the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide and international recognition of Kosovo is disingenuous for a number of reasons; mainly the time difference separating the two events, the vastly different strategic importance of the two countries and the powerful entities that support Kosovo.

Regardless, the UN Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441; declaring that Iraq actually had WMD's.

So you're logic of infallible majorities holds little water in today's political game.

We allow all views,

Merely allowing and giving equal recognition and space to, are two entirely different things.

I'm one of the most neutral and considerate people you could wish to meet.

So am I. Whoop-di-doo.

You have bias. We're not blind.

[Lena]

By the way my dear Lena ... since you are such a staunch supporter of genocide recognition ... what are your views on Ratko Mladić?

You don't have to answer in this thread, it's merely a rhetorical question.

I can do it here, no probs Loki. I see already some parallels made by Turk, I think in OP or few posts later... Two can't be compared at all, not by scale, nor by gender involved. I believe Serbs fought for the right cause, the way all military plans/actions are executed are maybe not to my taste-military strategist I am not; but what I know well is that war ain't fun.

[Loki]

You have bias. We're not blind.

Every man on this planet has bias, but I don't force mine on others. That's the difference. You, on the other hand, seem to want to disallow me to have a viewpoint contrary to yours. In that regard I will have to disappoint you, I'm afraid.

[Hoca]

Pfff, Lena I can't believe you said that. You just hit a new low for me. Hating Turks is one thing, but you are just a whole new level.

[Anthropologique]

Every man on this planet has bias, but I don't force mine on others. That's the difference. You, on the other hand, seem to want to disallow me to have a viewpoint contrary to yours. In that regard I will have to disappoint you, I'm afraid.

The hyper-insecure Armenians on the attack, again... Good grief!

[Loki]

Well, your comparison between the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide and international recognition of Kosovo is disingenuous for a number of reasons; mainly the time difference separating the two events, the vastly different strategic importance of the two countries and the powerful entities that support Kosovo.

Regardless, the UN Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441; declaring that Iraq actually had WMD's.

So you're logic of infallible majorities holds little water in today's political game.

Let's compare apples with apples then. Which of the following do you think enjoys the strongest international recognition?

1) Armenian genocide
2) Bosnian genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

[Gospodine]

but what I know well is that war ain't fun.

Well that's a piss-poor reasoning you just demonstrated.

Look, both Serbs and Turks make gross double standards when it comes to the issue of genocide. They vocally support the recognition of one and the vehement denial of another.

It's clear the support of any genocide recognition on the behalf of Serbia or Turkey is not done out of sympathetic, humanitarian reasons but instead done purely to spite its enemies.

To me, both states are actually a lot closer politically than they care to think.

the way all military plans/actions are executed are maybe not to my taste

You talk about this stuff like you're discussing your favourite music albums. Hard to see any sincerity in what you said but regardless; professional militaries don't plan the murder of unarmed combatants on their religious basis. You're kind of using very specific terms very loosely there.

[Proto-Shaman]

Nice sources, Highly reliable
Devlet Başbakanlık Arşivleri Genel Müdürlüğü Yayınları, 1995.
Arsiv Belge Lerine brat Kafkaslar'da heb Anadolu'da Ermeni Mezalimi (Türkçe ve English) verlaten, 4 CILT, Başbakanlık Devlet Arşivleri Genel Müdürlüğü Yayınları, 1995,1995,1997.1998.
De Turkse Republiek Eerste Ministerie Algemene Directie van het Rijksarchief Publicatie, 1995.

Btw even if they were true the dates are years after the massacre of hamidian( 300 000) armenians died, Massacre in erzerum 60 000 massacre dyarbacir 25 000 and massacre adana 15 000++, and at the same time where another 1 million armenians where deported and killed. What do you think that the armenians should do ? Just sit and be slaughtered as ducks like in the massacres I mentioned above ?

The province's Armenian population was devastated during World War I by Ottoman troops in the opening phases of the Armenian Genocide.[19] The regional administrator, Jevdet Bey, was reported to have said that "We have cleansed the Armenians and Syriac [Christian]s from Azerbaijan, and we will do the same in Van.[20] Numerous reports from Ottoman officials, such as a parliament deputy, the governor of Allepo as well as the German consul in Van, suggested that deliberate provocations against the Armenians were being orchestrated by the local government.[20] In Mid-April 1915, Jevdet Bey ordered the execution of four Armenian leaders,[21][22] which drove the Armenians to take up arms in self-defense.[23] On the other hand, writer and genocide scholar Taner Akçam acknowledges that in the case of Van, the deportations may have been driven by military necessity[24] and states the resistance in Van should be examined as a separate case.[25]
While scholars in Turkey allege that the Armenians launched a rebellion in Van in 1915, most historians agree that the Armenian residents, hoping to avoid the slaughter being inflicted on the rural populations surrounding Van, defended themselves in the Armenian quarters of the city against the Turks.[26] The Russians finally relieved the Armenian defenders of Van in late May 1915. In August, a victory over the Russian army allowed the Ottoman army to retake Van. In September 1915, the Russians forced the Turks out of Van for the second time. Russian forces began to leave the area after the October Revolution in Russia in 1917, and by April 1918, it was recaptured by the Ottoman army. According to Taner Akçam, citing the Osmanli Belgelerinde Ermeniler 1915–1920 (Armenians in Ottoman Documents, 1915–1920), after the Turks took back the city from the Russians, they killed all Armenians in the city.[27] The end of World War I forced the Ottoman army to surrender its claim to Van, although it stayed in Turkish hands following the Turkish War of Independence

Yes the fully RLIABLE SOURCES, forget to add them.

BTW The "Blue Book" concerning the so called Armenian Genocide = EXPOSED FAKE!

[Gospodine]

Every man on this planet has bias, but I don't force mine on others. That's the difference. You, on the other hand, seem to want to disallow me to have a viewpoint contrary to yours. In that regard I will have to disappoint you, I'm afraid.

Empty words my friend. Empty words.

I challenge viewpoints, I don't see how it's possible for me to "disallow them". I've never made any bones about categorically stating that most Westerners know fuck all about the Yugoslav Wars or Kosovo; because that's a demonstrable fact.

In any case, I have bias, but I state it quite openly; then I defend it. You have a facetious pretense of being impartial but flagrantly disregard it whenever someone upsets your site's agenda or delicate ethnic balance.

The hyper-insecure Armenians on the attack, again... Good grief!

No this is something I've been meaning to bring up with Loki for a while now; just never got around to it.

I don't need to be Armenian to see that this site doesn't believe in "Freedom of Expression".

[Hoca]

I think Gospodine is another hidden Armenian. He fits all the symptoms.
1. Obsessed with Turks
2. Obsessed with Karabakh
3. Turk hater
4. Agrresive and hyperactive