Macedonian language and dialects

[El Gre]

^^

I believe Drama comes from Greek Hydrama.

What about the cities in Thrace? Do you have a slavic name for Xanthi, Komotini and Alexandroupoli?? I think they might of had a Turkish name, one was Dedeagach, but no sure which one, im not an expert on Thrace

If im not mistaken , Constantinople = Tsarigrad in Bulgarian ??

Another interesting fact is how some of the older Western Bulgarians call the Aegean sea 'BeloMore' after the 40's this newer name came 'Egejsko More'.

The Belo More is called so by Bulgarians because of the calm water as opposed to the rough waters of the Chorne More .

[brunette]

Macedonians Greeks

Former yugos Pontic Greeks mixed with Southern Slavs.

[morski]

^^

I believe Drama comes from Greek Hydrama.

What about the cities in Thrace? Do you have a slavic name for Xanthi, Komotini and Alexandroupoli?? I think they might of had a Turkish name, one was Dedeagach, but no sure which one, im not an expert on Thrace

If im not mistaken , Constantinople = Tsarigrad in Bulgarian ??

Another interesting fact is how some of the older Western Bulgarians call the Aegean sea 'BeloMore' after the 40's this newer name came 'Egejsko More'.

The Belo More is called so by Bulgarians because of the calm water as opposed to the rough waters of the Chorne More .

We don't have own names for those, we use either the Turkish names or the Greek ones.

Дедеагач Dedeagach Αλεξανδρούπολη Александруполи

Гюмюрджина Gyumyurdzhina Κομοτηνή Комотини

Ксанти Ksanti Ξάνθη

[Yaroslav]

Here is a map that shows smooth transition between Serbian and Bulgarian languages. Macedonian is listed as separate, but Serbian was spoken in north western parts (including Skopje). Even though this is ethnic map the languages contrast with it.

[morski]

Here is a map that shows smooth transition between Serbian and Bulgarian languages. Macedonian is listed as separate, but Serbian was spoken in north western parts (including Skopje). Even though this is ethnic map the languages contrast with it.

The map is inaccurate.

[Yaroslav]

The map is inaccurate.

Why? Could you post "reliable" map?

[poiuytrewq0987]

The map is inaccurate.

Macedonians who sided with Bulgaria were only Bulgarophiles. We never had a Bulgarian national consciousness; only the choosing of the sides during the break up of the Ottoman Empire did we gain a national consciousness that strongly identified with one of the three Orthodox nations.

Bulgarians only regained their national consciousness during the Bulgarian Renaissance. Compared to Macedonians who never had a renaissance because we didn't have a medieval state to remember about and Alexander the Great was too far back in history for a bunch of Balkan peasants to remember about.

[morski]

Why? Could you post "reliable" map?

The ethnic border between Bulgarians and Serbs used to pass through Zaychar, Krushevec, Prokuple, Medvedzha, Vranja. You can see the wiki article on Torlaks and this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42261.

Of course that was the case in the late XIX c. At the present time Serb Torlaks consider themselves Serbs, but their dialect still betrays their closeness to other Analytical Slavs like the Bulgarians and македонствуващите.

[Yaroslav]

The ethnic border between Bulgarians and Serbs used to pass through Zaychar, Krushevec, Prokuple, Medvedzha, Vranja. You can see the wiki article on Torlaks and this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42261.

Of course that was the case in the late XIX c. At the present time Serb Torlaks consider themselves Serbs, but their dialect still betrays their closeness to other Analytical Slavs like the Bulgarians and македонствуващите.

Torlaks are transitional people, there is no ethnic or linguistic border between Serbs and Bulgarians. Some maps show them to be Serbs and some Bulgarians... Technically both are correct as even the people there changed their identities as they were under different state.

It is hypocritical for Bulgaria to claim East Serbia on ethnic lines since Serbs have just as legitimate claim on Western Bulgaria.

I support the present borders between Serbia and Bulgaria.

[morski]

Torlaks are transitional people, there is no ethnic or linguistic border between Serbs and Bulgarians. Some maps show them to be Serbs and some Bulgarians... Technically both are correct as even the people there changed their identities as they were under different state.

It is hypocritical for Bulgaria to claim East Serbia on ethnic lines since Serbs have just as legitimate claim on Western Bulgaria.

I support the present borders between Serbia and Bulgaria.

The ethnic and linguistic border is pretty clear and unambiguous. If they curse your mother it's Bulgaria, if they curse your God - Serbia.

Torlak dialects are analytical. Analytical Slavic = Bulgarian.

Who are you and what makes it matter what you support!?