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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardamu View Post
    What category of god is Ran?
    The short answer is lower case ás (singular for aesir) or asynja (singular feminine). She certainly lands herself in non-Asgardian jotun territory.

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    Are there any lists of the deities and to which group they belong? I'm quite new to Germanic Paganism and don't know a great lot about it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Are there any lists of the deities and to which group they belong? I'm quite new to Germanic Paganism and don't know a great lot about it so far.

    There isn't all that much written about it actually. You have the Prose and Poetic Eddas. The Sagas. A little from the late Roman historians like Tacitus. The Ring Cycle. And that about covers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Are there any lists of the deities and to which group they belong? I'm quite new to Germanic Paganism and don't know a great lot about it so far.
    Although it's an investment, you might want to consider picking up the "Our Troth" books, those have some good information to get started. Mind, as far as I can tell The Troth group is seen as the less traditional of the big Asatru groups. Your cheap answer is just to hit up Wikipedia.

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    Ancient mythology recounts events that are often based loosely on reality but only if we go really far back in time. Thus, their myths reflect realities such as the displacement of the Titans by the Olympians, the Vanir by the Aesir, or the Asura by the Devas. This is a recounting of the arrival of Indo-Europeans and their destruction of Old Europe and its fertility cult with the Indo-European pantheon.

    There's a historical precedent for this kind of thing. Some anthropologists think that it happened in Norse mythology itself.

    Basically, there's a division between two sorts of Gods, the Aesir and the Vanir. The mythology has a story of a great war between them, ending with the two groups trading hostages and more or less merging.

    It's believed that the Vanir were worshipped by the original inhabitants, and that the Indo-European culture that conquered them brought in the Aesir. The myth reflects that real world conflict. It could also just be two Indo-European tribes, one focused on fertility and agriculture and the other on war and conquest.

    Taking the Native American Mythology as a base, they might refer to powerful beings coming from a dying world, who settle in North America and have various interactions with the existing mythology that establishes the nature of the merge.

    Maybe Thor tames the Thunderbird, or the Great Horned Serpent becomes conflated with Jörmungandr.

    Most gods however are mythified ancient humans, mostly ancestors or adversaries of ancestors, while some are archetypal representations of natural elements, although even such a god can be based on real ancient people who were mythified and developed as an archetypal representation of some force. We know that Thor and Týr at least were depicted as far back as the bronze age.

    Some gods meanwhile most likely had no real foundation and were indeed archetypal, like Poseidon or Aphrodite or Athena, and this is noticeable when you consider the metaphors and symbolism used to describe how these gods were birthed and how they interacted with each other. Over time though, with decay of folk knowledge people could forget the nature of the gods, so in some culture they understood the gods were archetypal, in some they did not, but what matters, whether you believe the gods are real people or not, is that the archetype still exists, the story is still there.

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