Historical Maps

[Anglojew]

How time flies

[TheMagnificent]

Surviving fragment of Piri Reis' world map showing Central and South America shores, compiled in 1513 from military intelligence:



More information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

[MfA_]

Blacksea 1559

[MfA_]

Catalan Atlas by Abraham Cresques - 1375

[Proto-Shaman]

From the response of Dauritas to the Avar envoy, cited by cited by Menander, we can conclude that Dauritas was a Türkic prince ruling an administrative district, and ethnically unrelated to the Slavs. His response “others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs and so it shall always be for us, as long as there are wars and weapons” in essence states what centuries later would be repeated in the Bulgarian Khan's Nominalia (Sherjere): We “reigned on the other side of the Danube (for) 515 years with shaven heads” (i.e. north of the Danube, from ca 150 AD to ca 663-665 AD). No Slavic leader, in the 560-580 period, could give the Dauritas' answer, and that besides that no Avar envoy would disgrace himself by negotiating with a statutory vassal.

Citing Samo, as an ethnically Slavic chieftain is even less relevant: the “Samo state” Duloba (Land or Possession of the Dulo dynasty) ca 620-653 was headed by Shambat, a “Wendish king” (“Wendish” is “Nomadic”, from Germanic wendeln “Wanderers” ~ Vandal) and a junior brother of the Great Bulgaria Kagan Kurbat (aka Gr. Kubrat), it was a Türkic Bulgar splinter state of the Great Bulgaria. Shambat also belonged to the Dulo dynasty that “reigned on the other side of the Danube (for) 515 years with shaven heads”.

Neither Dauritas, nor Shambat “Samo” belonged to the local Slavic elites, and can't be used to build a concept of emerging Slavic elite.

Source: Making Of Slavs Conclusion

[Proto-Shaman]

The slavs are not from there,you can see by north-east european admixture from where slavs spread in Europe.
Their proto-homeland is where Poland and Baltic states are and a part of Ukraine and a part of Russia:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autoso..._dodecad.shtml

Look at what is called there as "eastern european admixture" which in fact is north-eastern european admixture.
There are the proto-slavs from which baltic population appeared and slavs appeared.As you can see,they are from nordish european sub-race,I think they are more cold resistant that scandinavians (north-western european admixture on that map).

May it correlates to here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_Fr..._von_Eickstedt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Baltic_race

Wow, so many slit eyes

[Permafrost]

Source: Making Of Slavs Conclusion

That was one of the most hilarious pieces of alternative history I had the pleasure of reading recently, and, at least in TA, that is saying something.

Dismissing Samo as a mere Turk is in itself beyond hilarious; while we do not know exactly if he was an ethnic Slav or a Frankish merchant, he by no stretch of the imagination could have been a Turk. It is contraddicting to the Chronicle of Fredergar.

We must understand that Carantanian Slavs, unlike the majority of other Slavic tribal confederations, were pretty well organized (especially in terms of administration and army) - a fact which is sometimes romantically atributed to their Norican forebears.

Therefore they could rule themselves pretty well, hence there was no need to invite a foreign elite to rule over them (like Bulgarians and East Slavs did)

[alfieb]

The Kingdom of Sicily (incl. Malta and Gozo) circa 1745.

[Virtuous]

The Kingdom of Sicily (incl. Malta and Gozo) circa 1745.

That's cool, has a Lord of The Rings look to it.

[alfieb]

Do not cross into the Val Demone. There be orcs there.

(My family are from Val di Mazzara )