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    I don't know why some deny but East Europe and Southern Europe were CONQUERED, this is a proven fact even by your own East European historian as well as evident records. Even when BBC made a documentary they too will say East Europe under the rule of Mongol. You're right that there is a difference between conquered and being subjected to tribute. Let me you show the difference

    Light Gray = countries under Mongol rule: Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, Crimea.

    Dark Gray = countries vassals and tribute to Mongols: Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Belarus






    Russian newspaper themselves will say Mongols ruled Russia for 300 years "Mongols traveled through Asia and Russia and afterwards invaded Europe in XII century. They ruled Russia for nearly 300 years. "

    http://english.pravda.ru/health/31-0...-alcoholism-0/

    And no Eastern European territory was ever ruled by Ottomans
    How true is this you can see for yourself.



    PS Horse was domesticated by Eastern Europeans and everything related to horseriding and use of horses was invented by Eastern Europeans. Scythians and Sarmatians were using fully developed metal stirrups at the times when Romans and Greeks were riding horses without even saddles.
    Are you claiming Scythians and Sarmatians were EAST EUROPEANS?

    Sorry man they may have had R1a but they were not Slav or East Europeans they were Indo-Iranians speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    East Europe and Southern Europe were CONQUERED
    Just like England is conquered by niggers and pakis.

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    Not bad, but some inacuraccies.

    The Christian ethic of universal brotherhood slowly spread through Europe, and slavery began to disappear. Tribes and peoples became united under a common creed. Europeans not only embraced technology, but they also developed the idea of a universal society based upon respect for the dignity and worth of the individual human being.
    I don't think that was a really decisive influence. Slavery existed until 10th century, when it was replace by serfdom. For the Christians, every human is equal before the eyes of God, but nothing there said about equality on Earth. By definition, a doctrine which promises afterlife can never put the main focus in the organisation and hierarchies in this world. These are just God's inescrutable ways, and one'd better prepare his "soul" for being "saved" in the hereafter. Slavery was even justified as a punishment due to the original sin (St. Agustin). The Church did support and legitimate the slaves owners more than once. In Luther's times this contradiction was experimented in rather violent ways.


    In Europe, the leaders in developing medieval technology were not philosophers, but craftsmen, merchants, and businessmen -- in a word, entrepreneurs. There were profits to be derived from the new technologies. A water-powered mill required a considerable capital investment, but the investment was likely to return a significant profit. Inventive, free people looked for ways to improve their productivity. Individuals profited, and society prospered.

    Thus, the Industrial Revolution that began in England c. 1760 was the inevitable outcome of a thousand years of European technological progress fostered by economic freedom.
    No. The Industrial Revolution was the inevitable outcome of the stablishment of capitalist class relations. The "entrepeneurs" (anachronism) who inquired into new technlogies were already proto-capitalists, owners of workshops who already employed labour and needed to increase its productivity in order to gain advantage against oder traders-owners. The urgent need for increasing productivity of labour hasn't existed before in the whole History of Humanity. And that didn't have, by no means, the outcome of reducing the actual time of working: in no society has man ever worked so long as in capitalism. So it was not like "free people" out of the blue decide to develop some technical means, by which the whole society becomes prosper. I don't need to remind the conditions of the majority of the society in the times of Industrial Revolution. I'm not judging capitalism, that'd be a different discussion; I'm just saying one has to use the corrects terms when discussing historical matters and not just throw in some words like "freedom", "individuals", that should excuse from an explanation.

    All in all, I don't think one can outline the history of technologies without analysing its economic basis. And this author does.
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    Most things were invented before our time. The Elite managed to ''invent'' those great things every time when civilization begin to raise up again and again.

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    "Greeks and Romans were notorious in their disdain for technology"

    I read to this part and I refuse to go further

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology

    The first ever computer:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_technology

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    Quote Originally Posted by XtraXavier View Post
    Just like England is conquered by niggers and pakis.
    LOL England has the highest rate on interracial relationship in the world
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMqCzgKZ-uE

    They're going to be Brazil in 50 years.

    Anyways, that guy is clearly a chink pretending to be British to put down Europeans going by his past commentary, and should be banned from participating in his forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Are you claiming Scythians and Sarmatians were EAST EUROPEANS?

    Sorry man they may have had R1a but they were not Slav or East Europeans they were Indo-Iranians speakers.
    First of all we should talk about R1a1. This is obviously Slavic and Finnougrian. You see even genetics disproves the Iranian made up theory.

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    Terrible and biased article. It forgot the contribution to the world of many peoples, starting from the Middle Ages Muslims, the Chinese, the Amerindians and the peoples of India. Yes, the Industrial Revolution and the Scientific Revolution were very important, but.... but... Euro-centrism sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Be careful when you say European achievements.
    IT IS WEST EUROPEAN ACHIEVEMENTS
    East Europeans have their own achievements.

    West Europe historically was never conquered by non-Whites but East Europe had been historically conquered for over thousand years by Mongols and half mongoloid Turkic barbarians like Huns, Gokturks, Avars, Khazars ect Southern Europe and East Europe were also ruled by the Middle eastern Ottoman for like 600 years because they were militarily weak compared to west Europe. West Europe had Roman civilization too and West Europe changed the world and made the world what it is today that's the difference between West and East Europeans.


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    This is a response to Sarmatian


    East Europe and Southern Europe were CONQUERED, I know some East Europeans want to deny this fact but it's a fact even by your own East European historian as well as evident records. When BBC made a documentary they too say East Europe under the rule of Mongol. You're right that there is a difference between conquered and being subjected to tribute.

    Light Gray = countries under Mongol rule: Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, Crimea.

    Dark Gray = countries vassals and tribute to Mongols: Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Belarus




    Even the Russian newspaper themselves will say Mongols ruled Russia for 300 years "Mongols traveled through Asia and Russia and afterwards invaded Europe in XII century. They ruled Russia for nearly 300 years. "

    http://english.pravda.ru/health/31-0...-alcoholism-0/




    Is this really a fact? why do I see Hungary, Romania, Ukraine under Ottoman rule?

    butler king keep your russophobic nonsense for your self. So if russia is backwards (your map shows how the russian novgorod kingdom isnt part of mongolians like poland making your statements nonsens) and poland and the other eastern european countries arent you mention.

    Tell me why there is not any significant invention from poland and the other countries?? Tell me anything poland invented or huangary??

    You cant.

    Russia invented many things like periodic table, color photographing, processors, television and many things more. We were first man in space. We were also the first one who made rocket lunch to space in theory. And even brassieres russians invented which you will probably never open one.

    ohh and look how much russia has??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ian_inventions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ish_inventions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryolish_inventions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ish_inventions


    we invented more than you and other western countries. We colonialized half the planet and kept our empire while you have everything lost except for some islands. Youre jelly about russians.

    Its just the typical anti orthodox view you have as you argue only orthodox countries havent invented anything. Byzantium was the remnant of the roman empire and it lasted until 1453 and was always ahead to the west.
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    I'm not sure my ancestors invent anything that noteworthy... well at least one of my countrymen invented a cheese slicer, very handy tool for cutting cheese.

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