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    Quote Originally Posted by dralos View Post
    i'm not saying that but the serbs gave them the name macedonia and created this nationality so they created this problem,you understand now?
    and so now they're independent but dont want to be bulgarians so they seek after the macedonian nationality wich has nothing to do with slavs
    The Yugoslavs under Tito legalized their existence, but Titos' prime target was the annexation of Bulgaria and real Macedonia in Yugoslavia.

    Those pisspoor bastards are simply warped by the large number of foreign interventions upon them. They decided at some point in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to get rid of all of them and create a new identity (or another cover for Bulgarianism) but they failed inevitably because they lacked the people, the resources and the strategic location to achieve any of this. They are still unable to guard their borders, so they shall gradually get extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    Only the end of the war caused by the Romanian entry prevented the total annihilation of your army, we already had put the Serbs to their place.
    Actually, our army was not annihilated, but we had heavy casualties indeed. The Serbs were not defeated by you anyway:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_..._and_armistice

    The Serbian front had become static. King Constantine, seeing that the Bulgarian Army at his front had already been defeated, ordered the Greek Army to march further into Bulgarian territory and take the capital city of Sofia. Constantine wanted a decisive victory despite objections by Eleftherios Venizelos, who realized that Serbs, having won their territorial objectives, now wanted to stay passive and move the weight of the rest of the war to the Greeks. In the pass of Kresna (Battle of Kresna Gorge), the Greeks were ambushed by the Bulgarian 2nd and 4th Army army which had newly arrived from the Serbian front and had taken defensive positions there. By 8 July, the Greek army was outnumbered by the now counterattacking Bulgarian armies, and the Bulgarian General Staff, attempting to encircle the Greeks in a Cannae-type battle was applying pressure on their flanks.[19] However, after bitter fighting the Greek side managed to break through the Kresna pass and captured Simitli, at 13 July,[27] while at the night of 14–15 July the Bulgarian forces were pushed north to Gorna Dzhumaya (Blagoevgrad), 76 km south of Sofia.[28] Meanwhile, the Greek forces continued their march inland into western Thrace, on 13 July, they entered Xanthi and the next day Komotini.[28] At 15 July, the Bulgarian army, under heavy pressure, was forced to abandon Gorna Dzhumaya.[29]
    The Greek army was exhausted and faced logistical difficulties but resisted strenuously and launched local counter-attacks. By 17 July, Bulgarian Armies reduced their attack activity having to repulse Greek counterattacks on both sides. On the eastern flank, the Greek army launched an counterattack towards Mehomia through the Predela pass. The offensive was stopped by the Bulgarian army on the eastern side of the pass and fighting ground to a stalemate. On the western flank, an offensive was launched against Tsarevo Selo with the objection of reaching the Serbian lines. This failed and the Bulgarian army continued advancing, especially in the south.[citation needed] However, after a three days fighting at the sectors of Pehchevo and Mahomia, the Greek forces retained their positions.[30]
    By then, news came that the Romanians were about to capture Sofia, having reached Vrazhdebna, just seven miles from the capital. Romania had entered the war due to a dispute over Southern Dobruja. King Constantine realized that his army was exhausted and could not continue hostilities, and took the proposal of Venizelos to accept Bulgaria's request for armistice, delivered through Romania. Both sides had suffered heavy casualties. A general armistice was signed on 18/31 July 1913, ending the most bloodshed battle of the Second Balkan War.
    When the Romanian army closed in on Sofia, Bulgaria asked Russia to arbitrate. The Ottoman forces that invaded Eastern Thrace (12 July) without meeting Bulgarian resistance were already in Edirne being unwilling to stop their advance. To help Bulgaria repulse the rapid Ottoman advance in Thrace, Russia threatened to attack the Ottoman Empire through the Caucasus, and send its Black Sea Fleet to Constantinople; this caused Britain to intervene.
    I don't see an imminent Bulgarian victory anywhere.

    Anyway, we didn't want Constantinople that badly. We only wanted what we perceived as rightfully ours. Something which cannot be said for the Serbs especially.
    O.K., the Serbs doublecrossed you, but then if you wanted what was "yours", you should have not tried to get near Constantinople, but rather move south-west. It was pointless.

    The disagreements we had with you were minor and could have been settled in a much more civilized manner had you not seized the opportunity to sign a secret pact with the Serbs...
    Nope, we had fought a whole underground Macedonian struggle from 1904 until 1908 with you, remember?

    In the distance of time I can say that it would have been really splendid and spectacular if we didn't squabble over Macedonia but focused our energy on completely and conclusively throwing Turkey out of Europe...
    Greece would have agreed upon an exchange of much of Macedonia for Constantinople, no doubt.

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    On topic. IMRO despite it's flaws managed successfully to fend off Greek and Serb armed propaganda in Macedonia and kept the Bulgarian character of the Slavic population up untill it's ultimate demise after WWII and the communist massacres that followed...
    Actually you had lost the plot in Greece at 1926 and in Yugoslavia at 1934, with the total collapse of Mihailovs' forces. The Mihailov of WWII was mostly a ghost resident in Zagreb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    The Yugoslavs under Tito legalized their existence, but Titos' prime target was the annexation of Bulgaria and real Macedonia in Yugoslavia.

    Those pisspoor bastards are simply warped by the large number of foreign interventions upon them. They decided at some point in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to get rid of all of them and create a new identity (or another cover for Bulgarianism) but they failed inevitably because they lacked the people, the resources and the strategic location to achieve any of this. They are still unable to guard their borders, so they shall gradually get extinct.
    3 million people around the globe will become extinct how exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    The Yugoslavs under Tito legalized their existence, but Titos' prime target was the annexation of Bulgaria and real Macedonia in Yugoslavia.

    Those pisspoor bastards are simply warped by the large number of foreign interventions upon them. They decided at some point in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to get rid of all of them and create a new identity (or another cover for Bulgarianism) but they failed inevitably because they lacked the people, the resources and the strategic location to achieve any of this. They are still unable to guard their borders, so they shall gradually get extinct.
    The creation of an independent Macedonia with the Bulgarians running it,or a unified Macedonia with Bulgaria was almost accomplished.
    The main problem that stopped the entire process was the fact that the main leaders in Bulgaria went crazy and over-exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    3 million people around the globe will become extinct how exactly?
    3 million my ass.

    If you speak about the fyromians of today...there are 1,15 million in FYROM.
    And 0,4 million in the diaspora,half of which are found oceans away and are almost fully assimilated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugarash 1893 View Post
    3 million my ass.

    If you speak about the fyromians of today...there are 1,15 million in FYROM.
    And 0,4 million in the diaspora,half of which are found oceans away and are almost fully assimilated.
    stick to official numbers fuckface. we can all speculate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    3 million people around the globe will become extinct how exactly?
    3 million? What sort of weed are you smoking?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon...thnic_group%29

    Total population
    c. 2 – 2.2 million[2]
    Sooner or later you shall not have a fiefdom of your own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    stick to official numbers fuckface. we can all speculate....
    What official numbers fuckface? You DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL NUMBERS. You HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A CENSUS, remember???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    What official numbers fuckface? You DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL NUMBERS. You HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A CENSUS, remember???
    When you count ethnic groups in your fiefdom we can talk, until then get fucked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    When you count ethnic groups in your fiefdom we can talk, until then get fucked
    We can make extrapolations dear. According to wikipedia your "ethnicity" has some 10.000 folks of whom half might be dead by now:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_...c_affiliations

    "Slavic-speakers" or "Slavophones" is also used as a cover term for people across the different ethnic orientations. The exact number of the linguistic minority remaining in Greece today, together with its members' choice of ethnic identification, is difficult to ascertain; most maximum estimates range around 180,000-200,000 with those of an ethnic Makedonishtani national consciousness numbering possibly 10,000 to 30,000.[25] However, as per leading experts on this issue, the number of this people has decreased in the last decades, because of intermarriage and urbanization; they now number between 50,000 and 70,000 people with around 10,000 of them identifying as Makedonishtanis.[26][27][28][29][30]
    We might make such a calculation in the future, but not before a name change from your side, I assure you!

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