Are Slavs indigenous in the Balkans?

[Guapo]

Slavs are indigenous in the Balkans

Author: Mario Alinei
Filed: 03/10/2003, 14:15:52
Source: Origini delle lingue d�Europa, Vol. I: La teoria d

Here are some excerpts of Dr. Mario Alinei’s study concerning the Slavic populations in the Balkans. It is congruent with Dr.Florin Curta’s conclusions about the invention of the “arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans”.

“I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology, namely, that of the ‘arrival’ of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live. The only logical conclusion can be that the southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic western and eastern branches in a differing manner and perhaps at different times.”

“Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration for the Slavs… because none of the variant versions of such late settlement answers the question of what crucial factor could possibly have enabled the Slavs to have left their Bronze-Age firesides to become the dominant peoples of Europe. The southwestern portion of the Slavs had always bordered on the Italic people in Dalmatia, as well as in the areas of the eastern Alps and in the Po lowlands.”

“The surmised ‘Slavic migration’ is full of inconsistencies. There is no ‘northern Slavic language’, it is rather only a variant of the southern Slavic… The first metallurgic cultures in the Balkans are Slavic… and connected with Anatolia… Slavic presence in the territory, nearly identical to the one occupied by them today, exists ever since the Stone Age… The Slavs have (together with the Greeks and other Balkan peoples developed agriculture… agriculturally mixed economy, typically European, which later enabled the birth of the Greek, Etruscan, and Latin urbanism. Germanic peoples adopted agriculture from the Slavs… The Balkans is one of the rare regions in which a real and true settlement of human groups coming from Anatolia is proven…].

REFERENCES
Mario Alinei, Origini delle lingue d�Europa, Vol. I: La teoria della continuit�, Il Mulino, Bologna, 1996;

Vol. II: La continuit� delle principali aree etnolinguistiche dal Mesolitico all�et� del Ferro, Il Mulino, Bologna, 2000.

BIOGRAPHY

Mario Alinei is Professor Emeritus at the University of Utrecht, where he taught from 1959 to 1987.

Founder and editor of “Quaderni di semantica” review.

He is president of “Atlas Linguarum Europae”.

[Guapo]

The only evidence for a great migration of Slavs in historical times that traditional scholars can possibly claim lies in a literal reading of the mentions of medieval historians, such as the Thracian Priscus of Panion (5th century), the Greek Procopius of Cesarea (6th century) and the Goth Jordanes (6th century), or those of the Church (e.g. Conte 1990, 33-34). But it is quite evident that such mentions do not point unambiguously to an ‘invasion’ or ‘migration’ of Slavs, but can just as simply be taken as to refer to pre-existing Slavs, the presence of which even traditional scholars now admit.

When, for example, John of Ephesos, bishop of Constantinopolis under Justinian mentions the innumerable raids into the Bizantine territori by “the damned people of the Slavs” he damns them because they were still pagan, and not because they are ‘arriving’! And when, in his De rebus Gethicis Jordanes describes the location of the Venedi, and writes that they inhabited the area “From the source of the Visla river and on incommensurable expanses”, he does not give the slightest indication of a recent arrival of theirs, but simply describes a statu quo.

And I challenge Slavic specialists to find any indication of a recent arrival of the Slavs in their area in other medieval sources.

[Insuperable]

That is according to 2003 research.
Research in 2011 by Ken Nordtvedt gives a different view.
Some actually still think that I2a originated 9000 years ago on areas of todays Croatia, Bosnia.. based on some other data
I have to say that as much as I would like that to be true.

[Guapo]

That is according to 2003 research.
Research in 2011 by Ken Nordtvedt gives a different view.
Some actually still think that I2a originated 9000 years ago on areas of todays Croatia, Bosnia.. based on some other data
I have to say that as much as I would like that to be true.

Forget about genetics here, you can find the same haplogroups anywhere in europe.

[safinator]

Forget about genetics here, you can find the same haplogroups anywhere in europe.

Ok, but they originated in different parts.

[Guapo]

Ok, but they originated in different parts.

Big deal, you have Dutch that share same genes with Albanians, doesnt mean anything. Dutch have always been in Neverland.

[rashka]

Yes they are. Slavs inhabited the whole region with its epi-centre being the forests of Ukraine. Carpathian mountains are not too far away and end at Serbia's northern areas.

[Guapo]

There are over 40 million Slavs in the Balkans, the largest linguistic group.

Yes they are. Slavs inhabited the whole region with its epi-centre being the forests of Ukraine. Carpathian mountains are not too far away and end at Serbia's northern areas.

The elders have always spoken about the "Great Water-Morava" that is now Hungary. (Pannonian Sea) Slavs have always been there.

[rashka]

The elders have always spoken about the "Great Water-Morava" that is now Hungary. (Pannonian Sea) Slavs have always been there.

Moravac is a very famous Serbian kolo dance. It is danced at every celebration.

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[rashka]

Here is another Serbian Moravats, and you will see other non-Serbs joining in on the celebration called Canada Day in Calgary.

Serbian traditional dance has a Keltic flair so it is possible there was interaction between the two people at one point in history.

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