Who are Hungarians?

[Incel King]

I'm confused. I always thought that Hungarians are Fenno-Ugric until I heard about theories that claim some Turkic origins of them.

[Jarl]

I'm confused. I always thought that Hungarians are Fenno-Ugric until I heard about theories that claim some Turkic origins of them.

Basically, all tribes migrating along the Danube and the Roman limes ended up in the Panonian plains at some point - the Sarmatians, Iazyges, Vandals, Goths and Gepides, the Lombards. Then came the Turkic people - the Huns the Avars and the Khazras and the Kipchaks and the Slavs of course. Hungarians came last. They splinetered off the Khazar Khaganate and came from the Volga mixing and eventually assimilating most of the previous inhabitants.

[Incel King]

Basically, all tribes migrating along the Danube and the Roman limes ended up in the Panonian plains at some point - the Sarmatians, Iazyges, Vandals, Goths and Gepides, the Lombards. Then came the Turkic people - the Huns the Avars and the Khazras and the Kipchaks and the Slavs of course. Hungarians came last. They splinetered off the Khazar Khaganate and came from the Volga mixing and eventually assimilating most of the previous inhabitants.

I didn't ask for genetics, but for Hungarian language and about how an average Hungarian identify himself.

[Jarl]

I didn't ask for genetics, but for Hungarian language and about how an average Hungarian identify himself.

Well then you gave yourself an answer. They are Ugric.

[Onur]

The very first Hungarians who migrated into Pannonia was consisted of 7 tribes. At least 3-4 of them was Turkic peoples. Already these tribes were part of Turkic Khazar empire living around the north of Blacksea and they separated from Khazar empire afterwards.

When they had tengrist, shamanist faith, probably they were being ruled by the leaders of Turkic tribes because from 9th century to 11th, they were being called as Turks and when they became christians, they were still getting crowned as "Kings of Tourkia" for a century. So, from 9th century to 11th, Pannonia was being known as Turkey.

I didn't ask for genetics, but for Hungarian language and about how an average Hungarian identify himself.

There are many people in Hungarian academics who refutes Ugric theory because similarities between Turkic and Hungarian is more than the similarities between Finnish and Hungarian.

[Incel King]

The very first Hungarians who migrated into Pannonia was consisted of 7 tribes. At least 3-4 of them was Turkic peoples. Already these tribes were part of Turkic Khazar empire living around the north of Blacksea and they separated from Khazar empire afterwards.

When they had tengrist, shamanist faith, probably they were being ruled by the leaders of Turkic tribes because from 9th century to 11th, they were being called as Turks and when they became christians, they were still getting crowned as "Kings of Tourkia" for a century. So, from 9th century to 11th, Pannonia was being known as Turkey.

But why they are consider as Fenno-Ugric, if they're descended from some Turkic tribes? That doesn't make a sense.

[Jarl]

But why they are consider as Fenno-Ugric, if they're descended from some Turkic tribes? That doesn't make a sense.

They descend from them all. Hungarian language gradually replaced the others. But Hungarians have a historical dislike of Turks and I very much doubt they identify themselves with Turkic tribes (except perhaps for a few forum nutheads).

[Pecheneg]

The very first Hungarians who migrated into Pannonia was consisted of 7 tribes. At least 3-4 of them was Turkic peoples. Already these tribes were part of Turkic Khazar empire living around the north of Blacksea and they separated from Khazar empire afterwards.

When they had tengrist, shamanist faith, probably they were being ruled by the leaders of Turkic tribes because from 9th century to 11th, they were being called as Turks and when they became christians, they were still getting crowned as "Kings of Tourkia" for a century. So, from 9th century to 11th, Pannonia was being known as Turkey.

Even the word "Hungary" derived from the "on-oghur" (ten-oghur).
On-oghur-ia > Hungaria > Hungary
The "Oghur" is sub-branch of the Turk, just like the Karluk, Oghuz, Kypchak etc.
Btw this is not pan-Turanism or something, but a historical fact.

[Onur]

This is the holy crown of Hungary made by the Byzantines in 11th century after the kings of Hungary spread christianity in the country;

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To the right there is a picture of the Hungarian King Géza I (1074–1077), with the Greek inscription: "ΓΕΩΒΙΤZΑC ΠΙΣΤΟC ΚΡΑΛΗC ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑC" (Geōvitzas pistós králēs Tourkías, meaning "Géza I, faithful kralj of the land of the Turks"). The contemporary Byzantine name for the Hungarians was "Turks", while the Hungarian branch of the Greek Orthodox Church, under Constantinople's jurisdiction, was named the "Metropolitanate of Tourkia" (Hungary), and the head of this church was the "Metropolitan of Tourkia" (Hungary).[5]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hungary

But why they are consider as Fenno-Ugric, if they're descended from some Turkic tribes? That doesn't make a sense.

This Ugric theory invented in late 19th century and it`s mostly about politics. Before that theory, both Uralic and Altaic groups was considered as in same category. You can also see that in the ethnic maps drawn by western Europeans in 19th century. In those maps, Finns, Hungarians and Turks falls under same category of "Turko-Tatar Mongols".

But Hungarians have a historical dislike of Turks and I very much doubt they identify themselves with Turkic tribes (except perhaps for a few forum nutheads).

This is wrong.

Ottoman empire did most ferocious wars against Hungarians but for more than a century, Hungary is the most friendly country in Europe for Turkey. The relations between Hungary and Turkey is excellent in all areas. If there are Hungarians who dislikes Turks, they should be just few religious freaks or nutheads. Already, it doesn't matter how they identify themselves. We are talking about history here and however people feels themselves, that doesn't change historical facts.

The relations between Hungary and Turkey is not like the Balkan countries. I cant even compare it. The only memorial park outside Turkey about the Ottoman empire is in Hungary. Hungarian parliamentarians organizes memorial visits to it every year together with our embassy.

[Dilberth]

I'm confused. I always thought that Hungarians are Fenno-Ugric until I heard about theories that claim some Turkic origins of them.

Sup Bakura.