Migrants push Scots population up to record 5.25 million

[The Lawspeaker]

The same in the Netherlands. Closing in on 17 million now - from which 13.5 or so ethnic Dutch or other national minorities like the Frisians and Lower Saxons. A lot of the new stuff seems to be coming in from Eastern Europe: Poles, Romanians, Ukranians, Russians etc. And so we get Afghans, Somali and similar nasty stuff as well: before the eye of the camera the right-wing government likes to throw them out but the reality, of course, is very different.

[Albion]

The same in the Netherlands. Closing in on 17 million now - from which 13.5 or so ethnic Dutch or other national minorities like the Frisians and Lower Saxons. A lot of the new stuff seems to be coming in from Eastern Europe: Poles, Romanians, Ukranians, Russians etc. And so we get Afghans, Somali and similar nasty stuff as well: before the eye of the camera the right-wing government likes to throw them out but the reality, of course, is very different.

17 million in a country of that size is ridiculously excessive. I consider a country to be overpopulated once the land can't support the population and there's no way NL could support that many.
Doesn't NL import water and buy extra drawing rights from the surrounding nations too? I'm pretty sure I read something like that somewhere.

Currently England could support its population, but it'd only be at a subsistence level living on staples if imports were ever stopped. Scotland is in a similar situation but that's due to 70% of it being useless for arable agriculture.
Nations should work towards being self reliant in basic foodstuffs, water and energy though. These are the key components for survival.

[The Lawspeaker]

17 million in a country of that size is ridiculously excessive. I consider a country to be overpopulated once the land can't support the population and there's no way NL could support that many.
Doesn't NL import water and buy extra drawing rights from the surrounding nations too? I'm pretty sure I read something like that somewhere.

Honestly ? I wouldn't know but I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the case.

[Albion]

Honestly ? I wouldn't know but I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the case.

I'll look it up some time.

[Bobby Martnen]

Send them back.

[Peterski]

Poland is most common country of origin with 62,000 Poles living in Scotland

About as many as the number of Scots in Poland back in the 17th century:

Estimates for years 1600-1650 range from 7,400 to 30,000 families (the latter figure was given by William Lightgow in 1616). These numbers have to be multiplied by an average family size of 3 to 5 or even more people. If you multiply 30,000 x 3 you get 90,000 Scots, or about 1% of all inhabitants of the PLC (around 9 million). More moderate estimates say about 40,000 - 50,000 Scots in Poland. Scottish inhabitants were recorded by sources in at least 120-130 cities, towns and villages throughout Poland.

More about the Scottish Diaspora in Poland:

"Appreciating the bravery of Scottish infantry, King Stefan Batory invited immigrants of this nationality to Poland. With a decree from 1577, he gave them the right to settle in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, to have their own self-governments and judiciary.

He did the same thing as King Casimir III before him in regard to Jews.

Mass emigration of Scottish people to Poland since the 16th century, and especially in the 2nd half of the 16th century and during the 17th century, was caused by many factors - especially of economic and religious nature - writes Waldemar Kowalski in his book "Wielka Imigracja". Overpopulated cities and shortage of fertile soils in their homeland encouraged Scottish people to look for happiness in Poland.

When Scotland was affected by religious wars, many Scottish Catholics took refuge Poland.

At the beginning, mass immigration of Scots to Poland caused hostility of the local population. During the session of the Polish Parliament in 1637, deputy Andrzej Rej demanded immediate deportation of 40,000 Scottish immigrants from Poland.

However, other deputies ignored his demands. (...) Today we no longer remember about that large group of foreigners, comparable in size to the Jewish Diaspora in Poland at that time. Memory faded, because just two generations were enough for the Scots to fully assimilate and melt into the Polish society. It was possible thanks to lack of religious and cultural barriers."

Translated from:

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/histor...-osadnicy.html