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    Default Croats more German than your average Slav, according to Hitler at least.

    Hitlers Quotes on Croats I Found on another forum by accident. Make of them what you wish.

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    The conqueror of a country is forced to adapt himself to the local language. That is why language is not the immovable monument on which a people's characteristics are inscribed. A people's way of eating, for example, is racially more typical — for every man remains persuaded in his heart that his mother is the best cook. When I tasted the soup of the people of Schleswig - Holstein, it occurred to me that the gruel of the Spartans cannot have been very different. In the time of the great migrations, the tribes were the product of ceaseless mixtures. The men who arrived in the South were not the same as those who went away. One can imagine two hundred young Friesians setting out for the South, like a tank setting out across country, and carrying with them men belonging to other tribes. The Croats are certainly more Germanic than Slav. The Esthonians, too, have a lot of Germanic blood... - page 8

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    If the Croats were part of the Reich, we'd have them serving as faithful auxiliaries of the German Fuehrer, to police our marshes. Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present. The Croats are a proud people. They should be bound directly to the Fuehrer by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely upon them absolutely. When I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakeable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say. - page 95

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    In the Eastern territories I shall replace the Slav geographical titles by German names. The Crimea, for example, might be called Gothenland. Here and there one meets amongst the Arabs men with fair hair and blue eyes. They're the descendants of the Vandals who occupied North Africa. The same phenomenon in Castille and Croatia. The blood doesn't disappear. - page 61

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    The Hungarians are better governed than the Rumanians. What a pity they can't instal Croats instead of Rumanians! The Hungarians are wildly nationalist. They assimilate the Germans at extraordinary speed, and they know how to select the best of them for posts of command. We shan't succeed in preserving the German minorities in Hungary except by taking over control of the State—or else we shall have to withdraw our minorities from Hungary. - page 338

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    It is not possible to generalise on the extent to which the Slav races are susceptible to the Germanic imprint. In point of fact, Tsarist Russia, within the framework of her pan-Slav policy, propagated the qualification Slav and imposed it on a large diversity of people, who had no connection with the Slavonic race. For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans. The same applies to the Czechs. It is enough for a Czech to grow a moustache for anyone to see, from the way the thing droops, that his origin is Mongolian. Among the so-called Slavs of the South the Dinars are predominant. Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanised. There are, however, political reasons which completely preclude any such measures. There is one cardinal principle. This question of the Germanisation of certain peoples must not be examined in the light of abstract ideas and theory. We must examine each particular case. The only problem is to make sure whether the offspring of any race will mingle well with the German population and will improve it, or whether, on the contrary (as is the case when Jew blood is mixed with German blood), negative results will arise. - page 473
    This one is about Croatia. Sounds familiar?

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    The beauties of the Crimea, which we shall make accessible by means of an autobahn—for us Germans, that will be our Riviera. Crete is scorching and dry. Cyprus would be lovely, but we can reach the Crimea by road. Along that road lies Kiev! And Croatia, too, a tourists' paradise for us. I expect that after the war there will be a great upsurge of rejoicing. - page 4
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    Yes that`s what Hitler said and that`s the reason why Croatia was a loyal ally of the Axis in WWII - the so called Ustase
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus albus View Post
    Yes that`s what Hitler said and that`s the reason why Croatia was a loyal ally of the Axis in WWII - the so called Ustase
    Both are interesting peices of history that was later suppressed under Titos Yugoslavia, much to the detriment of future generations.
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    Would Croats be more "Germanic" or more "Italian" or neither?

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    congratulations to croatia and to croats

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Would Croats be more "Germanic" or more "Italian" or neither?
    I think it depends on the area, Istria is has allot of Italian heritage in it and Dalmatia to a point but I am not so sure about the Croatian heartland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aimar View Post
    congratulations to croatia and to croats
    Why?
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    Here are some interesting facts I dug up.


    Danube-Swabian migration to Eastern parts of Croatia
    Slavonian settlements
    with a significant German population


    Osijek - the largest Slavonian city, which by 1931 had about 10 thousand inhabitants of German origin People of German nationality inhabited Croatian region of Slavonia (Slavonija) since 18th century.
    After the region was depopulated due to decades of warefare and threats of war between Austro-Hungarian Monarchy and Ottoman Empire, Habsburg authorities made the land available to people from other parts of the monarchy for colonisation. Thus migrations to Slavonia became part of what is in the history known as Danube-Swabian migration.
    By 1931, in about 100 settlements in Slavonia there were about 20 thousand inhabitants of Germanic origin. The largest German community was in Osijek (Esseg), with a little less than 10 thousand souls.
    Other settlements with larger German population were Virovitica (German: Wirowititz; 2559 inhabitants), Retfala (Rietdorf; 1940), Đakovo (Diakowar; 1597), Gorjani (1376), Krndija (Kerndia; 1345), Slavonski Brod (Slawonisch Brod; 1167), Sarvaš (Sarwasch; 1157), Viškovci (1114), Vrbica (Wrbitza; 1025), Uljanik (972), Našice (Naschitz; 948), Tenja (Tenje; 877), Ernestinovo (Ernestinenhof; 838), Jovanovac (Johannesdorf; 792), Hrastovac (Eichendorf; 740), Spišić Bukovica (734), Petrijevci (Petrowitz; 733), Gašinci (Gaschinzi; 716), Tomašanci (Tomaschanzi; 643), Čačinci (Cainci; 635), Kula (also Josefsfeld; 600) Drenjski Slatnik (576), Mrzović (Merschovitz; 575), Miokovićevo (568), Kešinci (Keschinzi; 563), Semeljci (Semelzi; 562), Josipovac (Josefsdorf; 539), Antunovac (Antunowatz; 538), Našička Breznica (Deutsch Bresnitz; 532).
    Although not in Slavonia, Croatian city capital Zagreb (in German language called Agram) also had a considerable German population of more than six thousand.
    After the Second World War, many members of these communities migrated to Germany, so today in Croatia there is only a tiny minority of people with German origin.
    More information about Germans from Slavonia can be found here.


    DONAUSCHWABEN IN SLAVONIA

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    Geography of the Region

    Slavonia (Serbo-Croatian Slavonija, Hungarian Szlavónia) with its settlement center of Essegg (Osijek) is in present-day northeastern Croatia.
    Borders:

    • North: Drava and Danube Rivers
    • East: Syrmia
    • South: Sava River
    • West: Croatia

    [This section still under construction.]
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    History of the Region

    Slavonia was part of the duchy of Croatia-Slavonia, which accepted the king of Hungary as its overlord as of 1102 AD. Croatia had two bans who were rulers representing the king: one for Croatia proper and one for Slavonia, which also had its own diet. Over time, however, Slavonia, with the nearby direct influence of Hungary, grew closer to Budapest and after 1442 started sending its deputies to the Hungarian diet. Eventually, this caused it to lose its distinct status.
    Slavonia included the city of Zagreb, where a Roman Catholic diocesan see had been established in 1093. It was subordinated to the Hungarian archdiocese of Kalocsa.
    Like most of its neighbors, Slavonia was conquered by the Ottoman Empire during the 16th century. In the Habsburg advance following the Ottoman retreat from Vienna, most of Slavonia fell to them and was confirmed by the peace signed at Sremski Karlovci (Karlowitz) in 1699. The rest of Slavonia was added at the Peace of Pozarevac (Passarowitz) in 1718. As the region was now depopulated, the Habsburg authorities encouraged emigration from other parts of their Empire; thus did Slavonia become part of the Danube-Swabian migration.
    An Eastern Orthodox Eparch (bishop) had his seat at Pakrac. After 1557, the Serbian Patriarch at Pec (Ipek) had jurisdiction over this and many other Eparchs.
    The following founding dates of some Slavonian communities are from Land an der Donau by Günter Schödl:
    1744 Deutsch-Mihaljevci (the oldest German settlement; established by Grundherr Franz von der Trenk)
    1748 Neu-Gradischka (in the Military Border region)
    1750 Lukatsch
    1769 Hirschfeld (founded by Graf Johann Palffy); Krawitz (its first German settlers arrived); Raisavci
    1770 Alaginci; (Deutsch)-Rietdorf (founded next to Ungarisch-Retfalva); Suhopolje-Terzovac
    1782 Zabuna
    1786 Antonsdorf; Josefsdorf (beside Krawitz); Kula
    1787 Poretsch
    1792 Esseger Neustadt (founded by settlers from Württemberg)
    1885 Welimirowatz (founded by German Protestants from the Batschka)

    After the First World War, Slavonia was ceded from Hungary to the newly-formed Yugoslavia as part of the Treaty of Trianon (June 4, 1920). It was not absorbed back into Hungary during the years 1941-44 as other neighboring regions were. Following the Second World War, Slavonia with Croatia, Austrian Dalmatia, southern Istria and southern Baranya, but not Syrmia (Srem), constituted the state of Croatia within the Yugoslavian nation. As of May 19, 1991, these areas, including Slavonia, became the new nation of Croatia.
    [This section still under further construction.]
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    Associations and Societies

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    Heimatortsgemeinschaften (HOGS):
    Please note that except where otherwise noted, all the contacts are located in Germany; this should be taken into account when addressing letters.
    • Ernestinovo: Johann Tisler, Rottweiler Str. 28, 78056 Villingen-Schwenningen
    • Essegg: Karl Schumm, Berlinerstr. 15/1, 71034 Böblingen
    • Georgshof-Brezik: Gerhard Lichtenberger, Breslauer Str. 68, 88512 Mengen
    • Krndija: Matthias Stolz, Ferdinand-Pirsch-Str. 5, A-8054 Graz, Austria
    • Mrzovic: Frau Rosalia Lottje, Daimlerstr. 23, 74564 Crailsheim
    • Ober-Josefsdorf/Krawitz: Georg Tscherny, Pirmasenser Str. 12, 76187 Karlsruhe
    • Sarwasch-Hirschfeld: Franz Buch, Buchenring 29, 76297 Stutensee-Büchig
    • Sarwasch: Hans Gassenheimer, Erlenweg 53, A-8530 Deutschlandsberg, Austria
    • Tomaschantzi-Gorjani: Josef Eder, Uracher Str. 3, 71069 Sindelfingen
    • Viskovci: Johann Possert, Höhenweg 9, A-8501 Liebach, Austria
    • Welimirowatz: Leopold Barwich, O.-Fischer-Weg 7, 72766 Reutlingen
    • Welimirowatz: Jakob Pauss, Geigelbergweg 39, 72336 Balingen

    [Top of document] Colonies List

    The Donauschwaben colonies in Slavonia are listed in Slavonia Village List, or you may first consult the list index. With a few exceptions, the list attempts to describe only those localities having a population of at least 100 Germans in the 1930s. A village list which included every town in Slavonia would be much longer, unwieldy and not all that much more useful to Donauschwaben researchers. See the Village List Home for more information.
    If you don't find your place of interest, Shtetl Seeker is an interactive, fuzzy-search gazetteer with maps of 24 countries east of Germany, Austria and Slovenia (inclusive).
    Note:
    - Information on FHL microfilms is from "Microfilmed church records for places in Yugoslavia with German population" by Laraine K. Ferguson and Wendelin Michels, published in the German Genealogical Digest, vol. 8, issue 1, pp 8-16.
    - Microfilmed records may contain gaps.
    - FHL film numbers have not yet been added.
    - Filial parishes are included under the main parish but do not necessarily have their own entry.
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    Bibliography

    Books describing the history and genealogy of entire region.
    Books (Ortsfamilienbücher) describing the history and genealogy of a specific community within the region.
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    No, we are not Germans, lol WTF, we are much better

    Thing with Goth story, it was made up so we could be incorporated into German elite military troops, as they could be only of Germanic stock.
    So it was made up purely because of political reason.

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