SPLIT from "Greeks are immigrating to Turkey" - What do you think of Southern Europe?

[~Nik~]

Stop posting this idiotic bullshit. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I thought that it would be half true, anyway most of the reports made ​​by the international medias should be taken with a pinch of salt, I see that they often tries to make tearjerker's more than anything else.

[Mary]

You're not Nordic, Babianen. You are a man, though.

Stop trying to come on to my husband. It's really creepy.

[Incal]

You are a man, though.

Of that, I'm convinced too.

[Mary]

There's a lot of trolling and stupidity on this thread but to address this point, I agree with you about the "street kids". I've been there many times. This streetchildren story sounds like typical j00 bullshit.

Yes, now-a-days it's a way for various Jewish scammers to make money off stupid Westerners that are stuck in the propaganda of the 90s.

Yup... Swedish propaganda is particularly nasty and typically laced with outrageous BS. The same as UK propaganda (BBC in particular). Countries like Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela etc are usually the targets.

It's sad that Westerners are so stupid to believe BS from NGO's, "charities" (fronts for Western Intelligence Agencies) and Western J00 media.

Yeah, exactly.

Agreed and many Western dumbasses believe everything they're told. It would have been better if they actually went there instead of post fictional statistics from Soros type NGO's.

They could go there, but it's quite expensive.

If you mean standard of living as measured in earnings, environment etc, no fkn way. That's incorrect.

It can be pretty good depending on who you are, what you earn etc but on average? No way.

Count on it:

Russian tax is 13% flat. Property taxes are very low (don't know the exact amount). Most people don't pay rent because they've had their apartments for a very long time. Electricity, heating and water is pretty cheap. So then you're left with pretty much your whole wage and you can spend that.

In the West your taxes are 30%. You pay rent or mortgage. Property tax on top of that. Electricity, heating and water is expensive. So you won't have a lot left after you've paid all of that.

The environment is just so much nicer in Russia that it's incomparable.

Prices vary depending on region but I agree that it isn't cheap, particularly in cities and towns in Western Russia.

When I was in St. Petersburg 2-3 years ago it was pretty much like Swedish prices (UK prices + 20%) maybe a little bit cheaper.

There's some truth to this in that conditions in Russia are nowhere near as bad as people *think* they are but on average the living standard is lower than in much of Western Europe.

Whether people in Russia lead a worse life... that is a completely different question because quality of life cannot be measured in terms of only money and earnings. I think the life there is quite good as long as you have a reasonable job, you have a good network of friends.

I don't agree. I would say the material standard is better than in Europe. The building standard is better than in Britain. You can consume more cool stuff. There's bigger access to Chinese stuff. I'd say the cities are much better. The only thing you miss out on is that cars are expensive. And property is more expensive. Otherwise it's not too bad at all.

[Mary]

Of that, I'm convinced too.

How about a cam stream?

[Dacul]

If Russia and Sweden do not have homeless people is because they have semi-socialism,that is why,not because of the race.
Italy have very few homeless also.since they also have a quite social state.
What has to do that video showing what happens in US with southern Europe?

[RoyBatty]

They could go there, but it's quite expensive.

For Western tourist it is expensive. There are kind of "parallel economies" at work. Expensive for tourists and foreigners. Cheaper for locals who know where to go.

Russian tax is 13% flat. Property taxes are very low (don't know the exact amount). Most people don't pay rent because they've had their apartments for a very long time. Electricity, heating and water is pretty cheap. So then you're left with pretty much your whole wage and you can spend that.

True but let's say a guy like me wants to move there (or kids move out of the house and need to buy their own place) it gets pretty damn expensive pretty quickly. Particularly on typical wages there which are lower. Unless you inherited your apartment from the State in the 1990's you have to pay the price today... and that's going to be a big part of your paycheck.

- Fuel is expensive due to heavy taxes imposed on oil companies for fuel exports... so they recover their "lost earnings" from Russian motorists.

- Booze is cheap.

- Food... not so cheap but also not too expensive.

- Public transport, very cheap and quite good

In the West your taxes are 30%.

I wish... it's a lot more

You pay rent or mortgage. Property tax on top of that. Electricity, heating and water is expensive. So you won't have a lot left after you've paid all of that.

Yes, all those costs are higher in the West but otoh you're also making somewhat more money (at least where I am).

The environment is just so much nicer in Russia that it's incomparable.

Yes parts of it are fantastic when you get out of the cities. (But it's the same anywhere)

When I was in St. Petersburg 2-3 years ago it was pretty much like Swedish prices (UK prices + 20%) maybe a little bit cheaper.

Last time I was there the prices were lower than London in Piter but not by very much.

I don't agree. I would say the material standard is better than in Europe. The building standard is better than in Britain.

From what I saw it wasn't particularly good, especially not many of these new apartment complexes. They are built a bit cheaply, use dumb Tajik labour etc. I´m not saying it's bad but it wasn't fantastic.

You can consume more cool stuff.

Dunno about more but sure, it exists.

There's bigger access to Chinese stuff.

Definitely

I'd say the cities are much better. The only thing you miss out on is that cars are expensive. And property is more expensive. Otherwise it's not too bad at all.

It's a bit different but quite good yes. But expensive if you have to start from the bottom to buy a place