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Thread: On the Authochthony of Albanians in Kosova

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    Linguistic and genetic datas which are coherent with historical sources confirm this.

    BTW:This thread should be moved to its daddy subforum.

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    The recent study of catastral registers has not only indicated that in the 15th century the Albanians were overwhelmingly present in Kosova and Western Macedonia; it has also shown that they were not merely shepherds, as they were often said to have been, but held all kind of positions and practiced professions which are not normally characteristic of a nomadic population. That study has also revealed that in contrast to the Albanians who were sedentary, the Serbs appear as a nomadic population.
    ''Pulaha, art. cit. in St. Hist. no. 1,1980, p. 164.''
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    Objective research has therefore established that what has been called Old Serbia, a term suggesting Serbian tradition and permanence, is in reality a region inhabited ab antiquo by Albanians which was only for a period of time under Serb rule.

    The term “Old Serbia”, which, like all expression that are well chosen, has a tremendous suggestive power, was employed for the first time by Vuk Karadzic at the beginning of the 19th century. Yet Karadzic applied it practically to the whole Balkan peninsula. “Old Serbia” at that time was synonymous with what was also called “Great Serbia”. But the chances to annex Bulgaria and Thessaly waned. The term was thus no longer applied to those regions and at present nobody considers these places any longer as “Old Serbia”..
    Curiously on John Bugarsky’s map, published in Belgrade in 1845, there is one area marked “Old Serbia ”. It is the region of Bielopolje separating Montenegro from Serbia – a clear indication that the term was used to designate various areas depending on the possibilities regarding territorial claims offered by political circumstances.

    The French do not find it appropriate to call “Old France” territories once occupied by the short-lived Napoleon’s Empire. Nor do the Turks name “Old Turkey” the Balkans where they ruled for over five centuries. The Bulgarians do not refer to Belgrade as “Old Bulgaria”, despite the fact that that city belonged to them from the 9th century until the 11th neither is this city called “Old Hungary” although Belgrade, which was Serbia’s capital only briefly in the 12th century, fell under Hungarian control before being captured by the Turks in 1521.
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    When Serbo- Sarbai were in the Caucasian Mountains, Albanians populated much of the Western Balkans, including Kosovo.




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    silly serb-turks, Kosovo is a Slavic/Serbian word.

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    Serbian have colonized most regions and city(Look Montenegro, FYROM) during Medieval Period, they have colonized also churches byzantine by name, they have colonized also killing non-serbs but their colonization was probably stopped by the Turks during their domination, rescuing indigenous peoples such as Albanians, Greeks and Romanian/Vlachs. I am sure that Slavs could colonized all Eastern Europe as done with the Uralic, Avars, Sarmatians and Iranians people who descended all South-Slavs.

    Montenegrines is an excellent example of serbo-colonized.

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    Medieval Serbian documents clearly indicate that the villages surrounding the Serbian monasteries were inhabited by Albanians, who contributed to their maintenance.
    ''^Glasnik srpskog ucenag drustva XV, Beograd, 1862, p. 276; Zakonik Stefana Dugana, Beograd, 1870, p. 180; S. Novakovic, Zakonski Spomenici, Beograd, 1912, p. 688, 620, 660; see also M. Ternava, “Shqiptaret ne feudin e Decanit ne vitet 30 te shekullit XIV sipas krisobules Decanit,” Zbornik Filosofiskag Fakulteta u Pristini, XI, 1974, pp.255-27 l. The villages given to Serbian monasteries have Albanian names.''
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    It is now time to point out that these places of worship would have been destroyed in the course of years had it not been for the Albanians. It is to them that they owe their existence. For centuries, the guardians of these churches – the vojvods, as they are called – have always been Moslem Albanians, elected by the neighboring villages of these churches

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    In 1878, at the Congress of Berlin, the idea of Great Serbia, which goes as far back as the 18th century, served as a guideline relative to territorial claims, but it could not, of course, be disclosed and openly discussed; it would have been premature. Indeed, even for the sake of the future unification, it was much more appropriate to be first concerned with the revindication of the South Slavs as single states and not as a group.
    At the Congress, it was thus merely insisted that Serbia be aggrandized and that a seaport be given to Montenegro, which was very poor.
    In fact, when the French savant Ami Boue visited Montenegro in 1836, he was struck by its poverty, claiming that it would be doomed to remain for a long time without resources because neither Turkey nor Austria would be willing to conquer rocks; adding, however, that Russia could have used her influence to induce Austria to ceding to Montenegro the seaport Cattaro which was of no great importance to herself.

    Yet, forty years later, at the Congress of Berlin, there was no question of allotting Cattaro (Kotor) to Montenegro. She was awarded, instead, Antebari (Tivar) and, a little later, Dulcigno (Ulqin), a harbor which from 877 to 1560 had been the see of a Catholic bishopric. It had practically never been under Slav rule. Moreover, its population was 95% Albanian.

    ^A. Bouc, La Turquie d’Europe, 1840, IV, p. 130.
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    But the Principality of Montenegro, which was made up of rocks, did not merely need a seaport; it also lacked pasture land. It was thus awarded Podgorica (recently Titograd), Shpuza, the rich valleys of Plava and Gusigne, Hoti, Gruda, and Triepshi, which were Albanian strongholds. As pointed out by Justin Godard, after the Treaty of Berlin, Montenegro’s territory doubled (L’Albanie en 1921, Paris, 1922, p.9.). Montenegro, on account of her small size, was in an excellent position to extend her territory at Albania’s expense and at the same time come closer to Serbia, i.e., toward achieving her goal of unification. As for Serbia, who was much pitied for her lack of access to the sea, she received, in compensation, Kuršumlija, Leskovac, Vranja and Niš, a region whose population was mainly Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guapo View Post
    Kosovo is a Slavic/Serbian word.
    This Albanian territory called Kosovo wasnt called in such
    way it was known like north Albania , but when Albanian lands comprised in to vilayets , they (read Turks) readily called it in that way , in memory of victory of a battle on the Kosovo field.
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    About those regions like Vranja, Kursumlija etc being mainly populated by Albanians,speaks this letter of Mr. Gould, Consul of Great Britain in Belgrade, wrote to the Marquis of Salisbury, Secretary of the Foreign Office of Great Britain, on Nov. 26, 1878

    I hear that the Servian Government has behaved with great and unnecessary harshness, not to say cruelty, toward the Albanians in the recently ceded districts. If my information is correct, and I have every reason to believe it to be so, the peaceful and industrious inhabitants of over 100 Albanian villages in the Toplitza and Vranja Valley were ruthlessly driven forth from their homesteads by the Servians in the early part of this year. These wretched people have ever since been wandering about in a starving condition in the wild country beyond the Servian frontier. They have not been allowed to gather in their crops on their own lands, which were reaped by the Servian soldiery…

    ^EM., Accounts and Papers (38); 1878-9; LXXIX 79, 574-575. Letter reproduced by Rizaj in op. cit. pp. 24 1-242.

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    While it is conceivable that the inhabitants displaced from Kosovo by Slavs between the eighth and the thirteenth centuries were in some respects recognisably Albanian, this widely dispersed population must have mingled and interbred with other ethnic groups. These people would not have been identical to those who 'returned' to Kosovo between the sixteenth and the nineteenth centuries. Likewise, the Slavs who settled there must have gradually interbred with indigenous peoples. Simple notions of ethnic descent are spurious

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    So the common-held view is that Kosova has been through and through Albanian before Slavs poured there. This bedeviled the pride of Serbian nationalists who are keen to deny our Illyrian ancestry. They claim that Dardanians were not Illyrian but closely related to Thracians. Clutching at straws. The main point of this untenable hypothesis is that Albanians simultaneously with Slavs entered in Kosova from more northerly areas.
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