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but that link doesn't even say that, it actually only specifies green/blue eyes.Originally Posted by TrevorXdX
I believe Coon said they can have brown eyes, so there's an actual source(a bad one, but nonetheless) for you. You seem to state it like it's a settled science, it's not, and it's completely subjective, especially since human anthropology completely died and stopped being a serious science that attracted serious taxonomists after WW2.
Given all Europeans are extremely mixed nowadays, have an extreme variety of looks(compared to say, Papuans or San bushmen, who are basically pretty much the same inbred phenotype) and people who look intermediary than like textbook examples are far more common, if a person looks largely Hallstatt but has brown eyes, it makes more sense to say +minor Med, Atlantid, whatever than not. When you look at siblings, pigmentation is as varied as skull shape/features, so who are you to say which one is more important or uses more SNPs? There's only two reasons I could see anyone opposing this, and that's a) makes anthropology too complicated because you can barely call anyone with just one phenotype(fair enough), and b) OWD.
Also, on another somewhat unrelated note, I guarantee you actual Iron Age Hallstatt Austrians looked nothing like that Dutch guy or what's considered a "Hallstatt" today(one would also wonder how southern Sweden became the modern Hallstatt hotspot when we now have Hallstatt genomes and Swedes don't have any admixture from them, oh oldschool anthropology..).
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpineoldschool anthropology
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John Bell Hood, Confederate General(+some KN), I guess he's just a Corded, especially over a Hallstatt(he's pred. Skando-Nordid imo, a phenotype mentioned only by 1-2 authors so I won't bother), but I don't recognize the Corded phenotype for various reasons so I'm just using this thread as a "general Nordid" thread:
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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imo he does look Proto Nordid with some Keltic, he bears a resemblance to Gaahl and to this Million times posted Irano Nordid
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...EmlbQ&usqp=CAU
i agree- they would not look really Germanic, let alone Scandinavic- propably Atlantid/ North Atlantid, maybe some Proto Nordids since this look could have been preserved via Corded ware or even Atlanto Med, therefor completely different. Also interesting the Centraleuropean Celts went from being dolicephals/mesocephals (the Proto Celts/ Hallstatt culture) very quickly into brachycephals, doli/meso becoming increasingly rare.Also, on another somewhat unrelated note, I guarantee you actual Iron Age Hallstatt Austrians looked nothing like that Dutch guy or what's considered a "Hallstatt" today(one would also wonder how southern Sweden became the modern Hallstatt hotspot when we now have Hallstatt genomes and Swedes don't have any admixture from them, oh oldschool anthropology..).
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b (one would also wonder how southern Sweden became the modern Hallstatt hotspot when we now have Hallstatt genomes and Swedes don't have any admixture from them, oh oldschool anthropology..).
Because most Hallstat nordid Swedes came to Spain 1500 years ago (visigoths-vandals).... (joke hypothesis).
Some might have mixed with Polish, Ukranian, Balkans-Romans-Gauls, but some remained mostly pure. I am one of them (and you have other future Hallstat Spaniard in the previous page, a boy).
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SubnordidNordid or sub-nordid?
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The link I posted was to show that Hallstatt Nordid may have a certain convexity in the nose and, yes, some may have light brown eyes and may be predominantly Halsstatt Nordid.but that link doesn't even say that, it actually only specifies green/blue eyes.
Given all Europeans are extremely mixed nowadays, have an extreme variety of looks(compared to say, Papuans or San bushmen, who are basically pretty much the same inbred phenotype) and people who look intermediary than like textbook examples are far more common, if a person looks largely Hallstatt but has brown eyes, it makes more sense to say +minor Med, Atlantid, whatever than not. When you look at siblings, pigmentation is as varied as skull shape/features, so who are you to say which one is more important or uses more SNPs? There's only two reasons I could see anyone opposing this, and that's a) makes anthropology too complicated because you can barely call anyone with just one phenotype(fair enough), and b) OWD.
Also, on another somewhat unrelated note, I guarantee you actual Iron Age Hallstatt Austrians looked nothing like that Dutch guy or what's considered a "Hallstatt" today(one would also wonder how southern Sweden became the modern Hallstatt hotspot when we now have Hallstatt genomes and Swedes don't have any admixture from them, oh oldschool anthropology..).
Yes, I know that it is a subjective science and that many phenotypes present in the link I posted may not exist.
I classified this guy as Halstatt because his phenotypic traits look like what an anthropologist would call Hallstatt, it's not just a pigment.
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I agree with your notions. By my understandings brown hair or brown eyes don't automatically denordify a person, especially if he/she is from Northwestern Europe. There has to be visible Atlanto-Mediterranean influence in features or very strongly on pigmentation level for me to rate someone from that region as Atlantid. As for the North Atlantid - I'm critical towards this being a separate type and haven't used the term for more than two and a half years now for reasons I described here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...contemplations
In my survey of eye and hair colour of 970 Swedes I also discussed phenotypes I saw. 1 woman and 3 men belonged to an unmixed Atlanto-Mediterranean type. 4 people out of 970 = 0,41%:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...sexes-studied)
As for Southern Europe, it has many Nordo-Med mixes, light-eyed Atlanto-Meds with no visible Nordid influence (as described by Coon), Nordids (both blond and brown-haired) and blond types which cannot be categorized as (fully) Nordid - Upper Paleolithic ones, Baltids, blond Nordo-Meds/Nordo-Dinarics/Nordo-Alpines.
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