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What troubles you is maybe an HYPOTHESIS and it underlines your schizophrenic dilemma. As muslim, you refuse to admit it in front of a non-muslim, but as a Berber you should be sensible to it. The HYPOTHESIS is that the Arabs and the Turks would have slaughtered and forced to mariage in great quantity, in Middle-East, Anatolia and North-Africa.
Please don't find me genetic studies coming from an extreme-right hungarian site. Look at the portraits and statues in art of ancient Egypt and hellenized Egypt. Compare them with Egyptians of today. I don't find unreasonable to suppose that Berbers originally had phenotypes close to ancient Egyptians. I've already seen Morocans for instance looking similar but very rarely.
And... white? XIXth century categorization in which BY THE WAY Orientals are usually considerated as also belonging to the "white race". And you know perfectly that Arabs have a lot a pale female phenotypes, Turks a lot of pale female and male phenotypes.
Gilbert Bécaud (south of France) :
John Cassavetes (Greek-American) :
Adriano Celentano (Italy) :
Lorik Cana (Albania) :
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Ps : and I've never said that ancient Berbers were mostly "white" but it seems that, for some reasons, a lot of phenotypes that have broken through the centuries and (more or less) subsisted (with still important variations) are pale with blue eyes...
I don't deny the germanic influence in Italy, even in the south, that Nassbean underlined. (I'm more perplexed about the celtic influence that concerns mostly north of Italy already inhabited by Celts at the beginning of Ancient history.) But first, genetic must be used with precaution : some genes similar to the germanic people may have been there before "barbarian" invasions / Holy Roman Empire / Normans invasions. Haplogroups can be a clue, a track but they can't be related to one special people so easily. And second, despite observable variations, specially in the size of skulls, most of the mediterranean phenotypical caracteristics have remained among the most of nowadays Ligurians or south Italians (for instance).
My division between Mediterraneans and Asiatics among north Africans and Middle-East people is also observable among jewish people. Obviously for other reasons. A new genetic study I heard about says that, on the contrary to what have been claimed before, jews from north Africa and jews from central / eastern Europe have common ancestry in Middle-East, but Middle-East in a very large definition. Anyway, I would take it with circumspection. I don't try to bring up the Kazahrs hypothesis and I don't deny the important common points between them and also the fact that the difference in ashkenaz jews phenotypes may come from their mixing with Slavics, Germanics and Baltics (by the way mostly with females according to these studies) or their possible stay in Mesopotamy then in Persia. But according to the observation of traditions and phenotypes I would say that most of the jews from north Africa are mediterraneans but that most of the jews from central / eastern Europe are more close to the north of Middle-East, so asiatic.
Some clues would show that a lot of Berbers have converted to judaïsm to protect themselves from the islamic domination, among other possible reasons. I don't find the hypothesis that there would be more ancient Berbers descendants among jews than among muslims unreasonable.
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Transmed example from turkey with true curly hair Ezgi Hocaoğlu
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Saharid / South Mediterranid examples - Morocco
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Pontid examples - Greece
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Mediterranid angels in Italy.
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