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    Much of the Coon material is laughable. I find it interesting that, despite the fact that much of what he posited has been discredited, people still reference the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horten View Post
    Bell Beaker populations probably migrated to the Balkans through Central Europe. They settled particularly in mountainous areas. That is also where Bell Beakeroid (Dinaroid) phenotypes are (by far) the most common. There is no question that Albanians resemble the basic phenotype of the Bell Beakers much more than Iberians f.e. even if the Bell Beaker culture did not exist in the Balkans.
    You need to read Barry Cunliffe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli View Post
    Bell Beakers were mostly R1b. I think that Basque are the most similar to them.



    This makes sense to me. Bell Beaker graves has a lot of Mtdna haplos diversity.
    The Atlantic theory...

    Southern Portugal has the oldest Bell Beaker sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horten View Post
    Bell Beaker populations probably migrated to the Balkans through Central Europe. They settled particularly in mountainous areas. That is also where Bell Beakeroid (Dinaroid) phenotypes are (by far) the most common. There is no question that Albanians resemble the basic phenotype of the Bell Beakers much more than Iberians f.e. even if the Bell Beaker culture did not exist in the Balkans.
    Dude...the bell beaker culture actually started in Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    Dude...the bell beaker culture actually started in Iberia.
    I know that. Yet the Bell Beakers were Dinaroid, meaning that Albanians and other Dinaroid populations will resemble them much more than Iberians.

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    Well, i think even the Basques are not similar to early Bell Beakers since they probably looked too WestAsian/MENA at early stage.

    The closest one to appearance would come the North Mesopotamian/ EastAnatolian Taurids.

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    The Bell Beaker group is more extreme in many ways; the browridges are often heavy, the general ruggedness frequently greater. The faces are characteristically narrow, the orbits medium to high, the nasal skeleton high and aquiline; the occiput frequently flat. The stature for six males reached the high mean of 177 cm.
    So, like this fellow?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Horten View Post
    I know that. Yet the Bell Beakers were Dinaroid, meaning that Albanians and other Dinaroid populations will resemble them much more than Iberians.
    Bell Beakers were R1b folk, there is 90% of R1b in Basques while only 15% in Albania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    Much of the Coon material is laughable. I find it interesting that, despite the fact that much of what he posited has been discredited, people still reference the guy.
    Dienekes quoted him.I suppose he is laughable to you too.

    Anyway,R1b in Western Europe is because of founder effect/genetic drift they didn't left much of autosomal impact.In WestAsia/Northern Mesopotamia the diversity is higher and the clades are older.So it is obviously that they will resemble more the early Bell Beakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    Bell Beakers were R1b folk, there is 90% of R1b in Basques while only 15% in Albania.
    16% for Albania, for Albanians in general: about 20%. That's not important though, we're discussing phenotype not Y-DNA. If the case was Y-DNA you would have been right, however. And in that case, Albanians are characteristically close to the Bell Beakers in many ways, especially the Cranium is quite similar to that of the Bell Beakers. Probably due to the selection of Dinaroid traits that had perhaps been introduced by the Bell Beakers but which is also favourable for a mountainous area, at least the same evolutionary tendencies.

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