Anglo-Saxon Examples

**Turul Karom** · 12-11-2019, 07:16 AM

Could anyone explain Anglo-Saxons as a phenotype more?

I'm browsing through these pages and they all seem very different in appearance from one another. Some of the wrestler/bodybuilder ones look like they could be from western Turkey. Also some look like they have had surgery on their eyes and noses (mostly women).

**Dna8** · 12-11-2019, 08:11 AM

**~~Rico33~~** · 12-11-2019, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Could anyone explain Anglo-Saxons as a phenotype more?

I'm browsing through these pages and they all seem very different in appearance from one another. Some of the wrestler/bodybuilder ones look like they could be from western Turkey. Also some look like they have had surgery on their eyes and noses (mostly women).

Same for Keltic Nordid

**The Blade** · 12-11-2019, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Could anyone explain Anglo-Saxons as a phenotype more?

I'm browsing through these pages and they all seem very different in appearance from one another. Some of the wrestler/bodybuilder ones look like they could be from western Turkey. Also some look like they have had surgery on their eyes and noses (mostly women).

The Anglo-Saxon spectrum covers the various blends of Nordic (Hallstatt and Corded types are involved) with Upper Paleolithic (Phalian, Brunn, Borreby) traits. Its more robust (more CM and Corded admixed) side has convergence with the Tronder type but the more gracilized examples are just Hallstatt with minor Cromagnid. Of course, there is a lot of middle in there (particularly regarding the robustness factor). As a whole, the Saxon spectrum has more Hallstatt and Borreby traits, while the Tronder has more Corded Nordic + Brunn/Phalian. On individual level there is still a lot of overlap. Carleton Coon on the Anglo-Saxon type:
"Anglo-Saxon Type: The old Germanic Reihengräber type, a heavy-boned, rather high-headed Nordic variety, most prevalent in northern Germany and England.
The skulls of the Anglo-Saxons who invaded England in the fourth and fifth centuries of the present era (see Appendix I, col. 43) are almost identical with this Hannover group. It is to this same specific category that the Spanish Visigothic skulls to which we have already referred belong. To it must be added two series of old Frisians from northern Holland, which are identical in every respect. The skulls of these old Saxons, old Hanoverians, and old Frisians differ in a number of ways from those of other Nordics which we have studied. They arc larger than the Aunjetitz group and the Danes, and in fact any other series of Indo-European speakers that we have met, except the Norwegians. They lack the low vault and sloping forehead common to the earlier Nordics of Denmark, the Gauls, and the Scyths. The vault is moderately high; while the cranial index is on the border of dolicho- and mesocephaly. Compared with the other Nordics, the forehead is relatively straight, the browridges are greater, the muscular markings more pronounced, the cranial base wider, the face longer and somewhat wider.

The type represented by these three groups and by the Visigoths seems to be a variant of the Nordic type to which the early Indo-European speakers belonged. Its difference is one of size, and it appears to have attained this distinction through a mixture, in southern Scandinavia and Germany, between the older local population, consisting of a combination of Megalithic, Corded, and Borreby elements, and the purely Nordic Danish Iron Age group. The resultant type approaches in some respects, but does not even approximate in size, the coastal Norwegian population which we have already studied, and it deviates far less from the central European Nordic than does the Norwegian group.

This physical type is accompanied by tall stature, of about 170 cm., and by a considerable heaviness and robusticity of the long bones. The bodily build was clearly heavier and thicker set than that of the previously studied Nordics. That it was characteristically blond is attested by the pigmentation of living examples as well as by numerous early descriptions. This type, being a mixed variety of central European Nordic combined with old northwestern European elements, is not a true Nordic in the sense in which the word has been used in this work, and its common and exclusive designation as Nordic in popular parlance as in scientific works is responsible for much of the confusion prevalent in the identification of that racial type today. Since it is found among both West and East Germans of the period of dispersal, it is essentially the Germanic or Teutonic racial type. The eccentric linguistic position of the Germanic peoples in the total Indo-European family has its racial connotations." - Coon, The Races of Europe

**Septentrion** · 12-15-2019, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Could anyone explain Anglo-Saxons as a phenotype more?

I'm browsing through these pages and they all seem very different in appearance from one another. Some of the wrestler/bodybuilder ones look like they could be from western Turkey. Also some look like they have had surgery on their eyes and noses (mostly women).

As they say "let us cut the crap" and say things the way they are. The Anglo-Saxon is by excellence a Northwestern European racial type and one of the fairest in pigmentation. Enough of the Western Turkey jokes (Turks are Anatolians for crying out loud!). Not everyone posted here fits correctly within the Anglo-Saxon category.
This phenotype lies between the Hallstatt Nordid (Skandonordid) and the Tronder (North Germanic).
Skin Color - Pale
Eye Color - Pure blue / Light-mixed (blue + green/ blue + gray)
Hair Color - Often blond (red & brown shades are not rare)
Cephalic Index - Mesocephalic
Nasal Index - Hyperleptorrhine
Face - In comparison to the Tronder type of West Norway, it has finer and rounder facial features. More robustly-featured than the Hallstatt with more prominent cheek-bones
Body - Ectomorph to mesomorph (Heavier body build than the Skandonordid of Sweden)
Height - Tall
This phenotype is most common in North-West Europe, especially in England and Frisian territories (The Northern Netherlands, North-West Germany, West Denmark). Other places are parts of Northern France (Basse Normandie, etc...) and Ireland.