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    Quote Originally Posted by Ymyyakhtakh View Post
    That's the way the term "West Baltid" was used by the Estonian anthropologist Juhan Aul. Here's one of Aul's "West Baltid" plates (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-the-Estonians):
    This term was also used by Cheboksarov in relation to northwestern Germans and some other Northern groups.






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    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...986353#p986353

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    Ratatoskr (who made humanphenotypes) said that the "West Baltid" type was invented by Agrippa (who was an Austrian poster on anthroforums):

    Quote Originally Posted by Ratatoskr View Post
    East Baltid will be separated into Lundman's Tavastid and Savolaxid. The Tavastid is similar to what people here call West Baltid, but not the same (West Baltid is Agrippa's invention, but doesn't exist in the books) - and typical for Finns. Savolaxid will be similar to the East Baltid, but not the main FInnish type (which is more Tavastid, Hallstatt and Fenno Nordid).
    However on AS, Ratatoskr said that Cheboksarov actually had a distinct West Baltic type (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...0.html#p581842):

    The theory they were internet interventions is actually an internet intervetion ;-)

    They were poper types used for example by Nikolai Nikolaevich Cheboksarov:

    Morphologically the West-Baltic type is so peculiar that it must be considered as an autonomous race of the second order, entering into the extensive zone of depigmented Europoid forms. The West-Baltic complex is very sharply set off from the Northern complex: it is characterized by much greater transverse cranial and bimalar diameters, less facial height (in similar statures), more prominent cheekbones, a much lower nose-bridge, a stronger development of the superciliaries, etc. It differs from the East-Baltic type in terms of an increase of stature, longitudinal, transverse, and bimalar diameters (in similar statures) and a much greater massiveness in the entire facial skeleton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ymyyakhtakh View Post
    Ratatoskr (who made humanphenotypes) said that the "West Baltid" type was invented by Agrippa (who was an Austrian poster on anthroforums):



    However on AS, Ratatoskr said that Cheboksarov actually had a distinct West Baltic type (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...0.html#p581842):
    The term was used but NOT in the way it is still used on the internet (as some sort of Eastern European CM-like type), but rather something not common in Slavland (similar to Borreby race of Coon).

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    Polish model Anna Jagodzinska

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    LOL

    Cheboksarov’s West Baltic type of Schleswig Fehmarn I. (taller brachycephalic, dark haired, low and broad faced)
    http://i.imgur.com/4e7iJih.png


    is simply Coon’s Borreby

    This type, in brief, is the nearest living approximation to the Borreby race of the Mesolithic. The Fehmarners are very tall (173.6 cm.), broad-shouldered, wide-spanned, but at the same time long-legged; their heads are of prodigious size, with a mean length of 194 mm., breadth of 162 mm., and heights of 129 mm. Despite the great length, which exceeds that of long-headed Nordics, the cephalic index mean is 83.6, fully brachycephalic. The face is as large proportionately as the vault; the three principal breadths, minimum frontal, bizygomatic, and bigonial, being respectively 110 mm., 145 mm., and 112 mm. In view of these excessive diameters, the total face height of 122 mm. is relatively short, and the facial index is euryene. The nose is moderately large (56.5 mm. by 35.3 mm.), and the nasal index leptorrhine (62.4). It is safe to predict that no regional population of any numerical size will be found on the continent of Europe which will exceed the cranial and facial dimensions of the Fehmarners.
    Fifty per cent of the Fehmarn males studied were thick-set and heavy-bodied; a lateral or somatic constitutional type is common here. One-fourth of the group has a straight, presumably flattish occiput, despite the great vault length; a planoccipital cranial form is a strong minority trait. Half of the noses have straight or wavy profiles; 30 per cent have convex, and 20 per cent concave. The photographs indicate that heavy brow-ridges and exceptionally sloping foreheads are common.
    The hair is brown as a rule among adults; 54 per cent could be classed as dark brown (Fischer #27, 4-7); the rest are divided between golden and ashen shades of light brown and blond. The hair as a rule darkens steadily throughout life; at the onset of senility, 80 per cent of all non-white hair observed was dark brown, as against 7 per cent at the age of 6 years. By contrast, the eyes are very light; less than 3 per cent have brown or dark-mixed shades (Martin #1-6); 78 per cent have eyes which are pure light or almost entirely so (Martin #13-16). This combination of very light eyes with brown hair is typical of Palaeolithic survivors in northern Europe, rather than of Nordics.
    The Fehmarners, although quite variable individually, cannot readily be divided into distinct sub-types, since the prevailing Borreby strain has permeated the small, endogamous population thoroughly. Correlations indicate the presence in small numbers of a more brachycephalic element characterized by darker eyes than the total group, and by a convex nasal profile; this may be a Bell Beaker Dinaric survival, but if so it is almost completely absorbed. There seems to be little evidence of a classical Nordic type in this large-headed, coarse-featured group; what Nordic blood has entered into the blend has been recombined or bred out.
    https://theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII5.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    LOL

    Cheboksarov’s West Baltic type of Schleswig Fehmarn I. (taller brachycephalic, dark haired, low and broad faced)
    http://i.imgur.com/4e7iJih.png


    is simply Coon’s Borreby

    This type, in brief, is the nearest living approximation to the Borreby race of the Mesolithic. The Fehmarners are very tall (173.6 cm.), broad-shouldered, wide-spanned, but at the same time long-legged; their heads are of prodigious size, with a mean length of 194 mm., breadth of 162 mm., and heights of 129 mm. Despite the great length, which exceeds that of long-headed Nordics, the cephalic index mean is 83.6, fully brachycephalic. The face is as large proportionately as the vault; the three principal breadths, minimum frontal, bizygomatic, and bigonial, being respectively 110 mm., 145 mm., and 112 mm. In view of these excessive diameters, the total face height of 122 mm. is relatively short, and the facial index is euryene. The nose is moderately large (56.5 mm. by 35.3 mm.), and the nasal index leptorrhine (62.4). It is safe to predict that no regional population of any numerical size will be found on the continent of Europe which will exceed the cranial and facial dimensions of the Fehmarners.
    Fifty per cent of the Fehmarn males studied were thick-set and heavy-bodied; a lateral or somatic constitutional type is common here. One-fourth of the group has a straight, presumably flattish occiput, despite the great vault length; a planoccipital cranial form is a strong minority trait. Half of the noses have straight or wavy profiles; 30 per cent have convex, and 20 per cent concave. The photographs indicate that heavy brow-ridges and exceptionally sloping foreheads are common.
    The hair is brown as a rule among adults; 54 per cent could be classed as dark brown (Fischer #27, 4-7); the rest are divided between golden and ashen shades of light brown and blond. The hair as a rule darkens steadily throughout life; at the onset of senility, 80 per cent of all non-white hair observed was dark brown, as against 7 per cent at the age of 6 years. By contrast, the eyes are very light; less than 3 per cent have brown or dark-mixed shades (Martin #1-6); 78 per cent have eyes which are pure light or almost entirely so (Martin #13-16). This combination of very light eyes with brown hair is typical of Palaeolithic survivors in northern Europe, rather than of Nordics.
    The Fehmarners, although quite variable individually, cannot readily be divided into distinct sub-types, since the prevailing Borreby strain has permeated the small, endogamous population thoroughly. Correlations indicate the presence in small numbers of a more brachycephalic element characterized by darker eyes than the total group, and by a convex nasal profile; this may be a Bell Beaker Dinaric survival, but if so it is almost completely absorbed. There seems to be little evidence of a classical Nordic type in this large-headed, coarse-featured group; what Nordic blood has entered into the blend has been recombined or bred out.
    https://theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII5.htm
    rather Pre Slavic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immanenz View Post
    rather Pre Slavic
    Czekanowski Preslavic (so ancient element existing before the arrival of nordid Slavs) is former (1911) term later (1928-1961) abandoned and divided into two or even thre different types: sublaponoid, paleoasiatic and paleoeuropid. The last one corresponds well with Coon’s Borreby.
    Synonyms of different taxonomic models


    Early Czekanowski showing distribution of racial types in Germany incl Preslavic type

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    Czekanowski Preslavic (so ancient element existing before the arrival of nordid Slavs) is former (1911) term later (1928-1961) abandoned and divided into two or even thre different types: sublaponoid, paleoasiatic and paleoeuropid. The last one corresponds well with Coon’s Borreby.
    Synonyms of different taxonomic models


    Early Czekanowski showing distribution of racial types in Germany incl Preslavic type
    Coon dropped the term Borreby however, and used just Alpine.

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