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    Do you believe they are mostly Anatolian settlers who moved to the Balkans when the Ottomans conquered the region or do you think they are by large Turkified/Ottomanized Balkanoids?


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    A mix,,,probably they have some turkish blood,but balkanians dominate
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    I'll go with the second option.They are mostly Turkophile Balkanoids.

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    They are Turkified Balkanoids. Onur is perfect example.

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    Not all of them can be turkified balkanites because the historical records mentions about the wave of migrations of semi nomadic Turks from Anatolia to Balkans and it`s something understandable because i am sure they liked the green pastures of Bulgaria and Romania for their flocks.

    The toponymy in Balkans, the names of the towns, territories also supports this because there are a lot of town, village names related with yoruk turkmen groups. Actually there was many more in macedonia but Greece changed most of them after 1930s.

    I believe in early times, these turks probably mixed with Vlachs at most. It`s quite likely that some Vlachs were originally Bulgar, Pecheneg, Hungarian and later Cuman nomads who got later assimilated with Latin tongue by Romans.
    Historians Ovid Densusianu and Konstantin Jirecek considered that Megleno-Romanians descended from a mixture of Romanians with Pecenegs, settled in Moglen by the Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos in 1091.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
    It wouldn't be surprise that after Yoruks came to Balkans from Anatolia, they intermarried with them because their lifestyle was same, breeding flocks and wandering around Balkans for greener pastures.

    Ofc they are mixed with Bulgarians, Macedonians too but it`s obvious that who was the predominant group among them from their mothertongue. I mean the Torbesh in Macedonia speaks Macedonian, Pomaks speaks Bulgarian but the rest of the majority speaks Turkish.
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    My bf is a turk from Balkan, but I think he is more turkish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talvi View Post
    My bf is a turk from Balkan, but I think he is more turkish...
    Talvi, just don't mind the Balkanites because you know, they have tendency to disregard all the Turkish elements in Balkans in every case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Talvi, just don't mind the Balkanites because you know, they have tendency to disregard all the Turkish elements in Balkans in every case.
    I know some people who consider Turkish themself.Actually i know two brothers one of them was calling himself staunch Turkish while his brother said stfu he even mentioned the tribe which they hail.

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    grandsons of hundreds of thousands of nomadic Turkish settlers from anatolia (konya, karaman, sivas, dulkadir etc regions) with balkan admixture.

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    The conquest of the Balkans by the Ottomans set in motion important population movements, which modified the ethnic and religious composition of the conquered territories. This demographic restructuring was accomplished through colonization of strategic areas of the Balkans with Turks brought over from Anatolia, establishing a firm Turkish Muslim base for further conquests in Europe. Ottoman Empire used colonization as a very effective method to consolidate their position and power in the Balkans. The colonizers that were brought to the Balkans consisted of diverse elements, including soldiers, nomads, farmers, artisans and merchants, dervishes, preachers and other religious functionaries, and administrative personnel. Among the earliest arrivals were large numbers of pastoral peoples such as the Yürüks, Turcomans (Oghuz Turks), Tatars from Anatolia and Crimean Tatars (Qaraei or Kara Tatar) led by their chieftain Aktav.[41] As the Ottomans expanded their conquests in the Balkans, they brought nomads from Anatolia and settled them along the main highways and in the surrounding mountain regions. Densely populated Turkish colonies were established in the frontier regions of Thrace, the Maritsa and the Tundzha valleys. The colonization policies already begun under Orhan were continued by his successors Murat I (1360–84) and Bayezit I (1389–1402). Additional colonists, mostly nomads again, were established along key transportation and communication routes in Thrace, Macedonia, and Thessaly. The Ottoman authorities maintained these nomads in their tribal organization through the sixteenth century and began to settle them only during the seventeenth century.

    In addition to voluntary migrations, the Ottoman authorities used mass deportations (sürgün) as a method of control over potentially rebellious elements in the Balkans and in Anatolia. Far away form their home bases, the potential threat of such elements was considerably reduced as in the case of the followers of the rebellious Karamani Pir Ahmed. Tribal resistance was followed by large-scale transfers of Karamanid Türkmen nomads to Rumelia. Deportations in both directions occurred throughout the fourteenth, fifteenth, and sixteenth centuries.
    Seeing them as 100% Turkified balkanites is typical loser syptom.
    Simply, people don't want to believe that they conquered and ruled by Turks for centuries.

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