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    Default Should Turkey recognize Armenian Genocide?

    I think it is time for Republic of Turkey to see forward and recognize the systematic killings of Armenian population during the WWI.

    All of historians recognize it as the first modern genocide made upon a population.They caused the death of 1-1.5 million Armenians.

    The problem is that the goverment of Ankara is stubborn and don't want to aknowledge the word "genocide" while meantime most genocide scholars and historians accept that there has been a genocide upon Armenians.Armenian Genocide is the second most studied after the Holocaust.

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    The Roots of Genocide: The Ottoman Empire

    The Armenian people have made their home in the Caucasus region of Eurasia for some 3,000 years. For some of that time, the kingdom of Armenia was an independent entity--at the beginning of the 4th century AD, for instance, it became the first nation in the world to make Christianity its official religion--but for the most part, control of the region shifted from one empire to another. During the 15th century, Armenia was absorbed into the mighty Ottoman Empire.

    The Ottoman rulers, like most of their subjects, were Muslim. They permitted religious minorities like the Armenians to maintain some autonomy, but they also subjected Armenians, who they viewed as “infidels,” to unequal and unjust treatment. Christians had to pay higher taxes than Muslims, for example, and they had very few political and legal rights.

    In spite of these obstacles, the Armenian community thrived under Ottoman rule. They tended to be better educated and wealthier than their Turkish neighbors, who in turn tended to resent their success. This resentment was compounded by suspicions that the Christian Armenians would be more loyal to Christian governments (that of the Russians, for example, who shared an unstable border with Turkey) than they were to the Ottoman caliphate.

    These suspicions grew more acute as the Ottoman Empire crumbled. At the end of the 19th century, the despotic Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid II--obsessed with loyalty above all, and infuriated by the nascent Armenian campaign to win basic civil rights--declared that he would solve the “Armenian question” once and for all. “I will soon settle those Armenians,” he told a reporter in 1890. “I will give them a box on the ear which will make them…relinquish their revolutionary ambitions.”

    The First Armenian Massacre


    Between 1894 and 1896, this “box on the ear” took the form of a state-sanctioned pogrom. In response to large scale protests by Armenians, Turkish military officials, soldiers and ordinary men sacked Armenian villages and cities and massacred their citizens. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians were murdered.

    The Rise of the Young Turks


    In 1908, a new government came to power in Turkey. A group of reformers who called themselves the “Young Turks” overthrew Sultan Abdul Hamid and established a more modern constitutional government. At first, the Armenians were hopeful that they would have an equal place in this new state, but they soon learned that what the nationalistic Young Turks wanted most of all was to “Turkify” the empire. According to this way of thinking, non-Turks--and especially Christian non-Turks--were a grave threat to the new state

    World War I


    In 1914, the Turks entered World War I on the side of Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (At the same time, Ottoman religious authorities declared jihad, or holy war, against all Christians except their allies.) Military leaders began to argue that the Armenians were traitors: If they thought they could win independence if the Allies were victorious, this argument went, the Armenians would be eager to fight for the enemy. As the war intensified, Armenians organized volunteer battalions to help the Russian army fight against the Turks in the Caucasus region. These events, and general Turkish suspicion of the Armenian people, led the Turkish government to push for the “removal” of the Armenians from the war zones along the Eastern Front.

    Genocide Begins


    On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began. That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

    At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts. They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.

    Records show that during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property.

    In 1922, when the genocide was over, there were just 388,000 Armenians remaining in the Ottoman Empire.

    The Armenian Genocide Today


    After the Ottomans surrendered in 1918, the leaders of the Young Turks fled to Germany, which promised not to prosecute them for the genocide. (However, a group of Armenian nationalists devised a plan, known as Operation Nemesis, to track down and assassinate the leaders of the genocide.) Ever since then, the Turkish government has denied that a genocide took place. The Armenians were an enemy force, they argue, and their slaughter was a necessary war measure. Today, Turkey is an important ally of the U.S. and other Western nations, and so their governments have likewise been reluctant to condemn the long-ago killings. In March 2010, a U.S. Congressional panel at last voted to recognize the genocide.
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    Most nations will never,just like serbs wont recognize their genocide against Bosniaks
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    Quote Originally Posted by bosnian View Post
    Most nations will never,just like serbs wont recognize their genocide against Bosniaks
    It just shows their hypocrisy and twisted mindset.Those crimes should be aknowledged and focus on the future.Instead of doing this i have seen the contrary reaction from these countries.It is kinda sad.

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    The Republic of Turkey was established after the Armenian genocide. This massacare was carried out by the Zionist crypto-Jewish organization called "Young Turks." Alexander Parvrus (Jew) who was a Marxist theoretician & member of the Jewish Bund, became the head financial & political advisor of the "Young Turks", who orchestrated the gruesome slaughter of 600,000 - 1,800,000 ethnic Armenians, stealing their land & wealth.

    Parvus profited handsomely from an arms trade company he established with Turkey, supplying the very weapons for this genocide.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks
    http://www.jewishracism.com/Jewish_G...e_Enlarged.pdf

    I believe the killings took place but I don't think Turkey should take the blame for it.
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    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk1071 View Post
    No.
    Elaborate on your choice please.Do you deny Armenian Genocide which is supported by mainstream scholars/historians?No sane person can refuse what happened in WWI,ofcourse if you switch to the conspiracy things just as your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optimus View Post
    Elaborate on your choice please.Do you deny Armenian Genocide which is supported by mainstream scholars/historians?No sane person can refuse what happened in WWI,ofcourse if you switch to the conspiracy things just as your friend.
    Who's my friend? I hardly hold any conspiracy. Can you please tell me how come Armenians were amongst most wealthy communities and never faced any discriminination till World War I? Why the hell did Ottoman authorities decided to exile many Armenians outside Turkish and Kurdish inhabited areas out of sudden, do you also think it was just because they were Armenians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk1071 View Post
    Who's my friend? I hardly hold any conspiracy. Can you please tell me how come Armenians were amongst most wealthy communities and never faced any discriminination till World War I? Why the hell did Ottoman authorities decided to exile many Armenians outside Turkish and Kurdish inhabited areas out of sudden, do you also think it was just because they were Armenians?
    Hypocrite!

    This is what William Ramsay wrote about the condition of Armenians after having visited the Ottoman Empire in 1890:

    Turkish rule...meant unutterable contempt...The Armenians (and Greeks) were dogs and pigs...to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet. Conceive the inevitable result of centuries of slavery, of subjection to insult and scorn, centuries in which nothing belonged to the Armenian, neither his property, his house, his life, his person, nor his family, was sacred or safe from violence – capricious, unprovoked violence – to resist which by violence meant death.
    The massacre was done by Young Turks the ideological creators of modern day Turkey.Armenians were overtaxed by Turks throughout their rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optimus View Post
    Hypocrite!

    This is what William Ramsay wrote about the condition of Armenians after having visited the Ottoman Empire in 1890:



    The massacre was done by Young Turks the ideological creators of modern day Turkey.Armenians were overtaxed by Turks throughout their rule.
    OH RLY? Speaking about quotes from 1890s, then how about these, genius? Before accusing me of hypocrisy, you refrain yourself from hypocrisy.

    "The aim of the Armenian revolutionaries is to stir disturbances, to get the Ottomans to react to violence, and thus get the foreign powers to intervene."
    Sir Philip Currie, the British Ambassador in Istanbul, 28 March 1894 (British Blue Book, Nr.6 1894, p.57? Or p. 87)

    "The Dashnaks and Hunchaks have terrorized their own countrymen, they have stirred up the Muslim people with their thefts and insanities, and have paralyzed all efforts made to carry out reforms; all the events that have taken place in Anatolia are the responsibility of the crimes committed by the Armenian revolutionary committees."
    Williams, The British vice-consul, writing from Van. (March 4, 1896, British Blue Book, Nr. 8 1896, p.108.)

    ''I do not deny the existence and the active propagandism of Armenian revolutionarists. I do not even deny that, to some extent, the religious war has been stimulated by Armenian political agitators.''
    Antranig Azhderian, "The Turk and the Land of Haig, or Turkey and Armenia - Desciptive, Historical, and Picturesque," The Mershong Company, New York, 1898, p. 364.

    "When I say that the Armenian massacres were caused by the Armenian revolutionists, I tell the truth, and a very important one, but it is not the whole truth. It would be more correct to say that the presence of the revolutionists gave occasion and excuse for the massacres. That the Turks were looking for an excuse, no one can doubt who has traversed that country."
    George Hughes Hepworth, "Through Armenia on Horseback" (NY, 1898, p. 339)

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