Do you go by Admixture Percentages or by Cluster to determine who is White

[Mortimer]

What if someone does have admixture but is within the European Cluster. I would think of him as European with/some admix but still European.

Vote plz

[Stefan]

- A very old post of mine with a few refinements.

The way I see it, somebody is entirely European(ancestrally) when there is no obvious evidence of deviant history or ancestry either through the person's phenotype, or through their known* ancestry or the history of their ethnic group. A percentage doesn't really describe this idea very well. But if one knows of relatively recent non-European ancestry, then it is simple as them not being "European" in a heritable sense. A majority just doesn't cut it. The same applies for any other group by the way.


* By known, I mean they know who their non-European ancestors were. Surprising admixture, unless it is vastly different from that of their ethnicity shouldn't really matter. Basically, if somebody knows their ancestry and they expect admixture then they probably aren't fully European. According to this criteria, I wouldn't consider myself European, for example, because I expected admixture I just didn't know how much. At the same time, I'm racially Caucasoid/Europoid and can appreciate my European ancestry. Being European is more than just race.


To answer your question. I'd expect all Europeans to cluster with each other, but not everybody who clusters with Europeans are European(ancestrally.)

[Mortimer]

- A very old post of mine with a few refinements.

The way I see it, somebody is entirely European(ancestrally) when there is no obvious evidence of deviant history or ancestry either through the person's phenotype, or through their known* ancestry or the history of their ethnic group. A percentage doesn't really describe this idea very well. But if one knows of relatively recent non-European ancestry, then it is simple as them not being "European" in a heritable sense. A majority just doesn't cut it. The same applies for any other group by the way.


* By known, I mean they know who their non-European ancestors were. Surprising admixture, unless it is vastly different from that of their ethnicity shouldn't really matter. Basically, if somebody knows their ancestry and they expect admixture then they probably aren't fully European. According to this criteria, I wouldn't consider myself European, for example, because I expected admixture I just didn't know how much. At the same time, I'm racially Caucasoid/Europoid and can appreciate my European ancestry. Being European is more than just race.


To answer your question. I'd expect all Europeans to cluster with each other, but not everybody who clusters with Europeans are European(ancestrally.)

Good Post Stefan. By the same Standards you applie i expected to be a southasian/european mixed race but didnt know how much, i was surprised that im more european even and cluster with euros. phenotypically and ancestrally im far from being european eventhough i do cluster with europeans.

[StonyArabia]

If you cluster with a specific population the most likely case you have a lot of genetic material from that population. So Yep I would say.

[Pallantides]

You're only white if you cluster with North Europeans.

[StonyArabia]

You're only white if you cluster with North Europeans.

He does cluster with Austrians

[Mortimer]

He does cluster with Austrians

Its not about me its generall topic

[aimar]

He does cluster with Austrians

austrians are north europeans?

[Pallantides]

He does cluster with Austrians

Austrians are not North Europeans and they don't cluster with North Europeans either.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Why people try so hard to be europeans, and then they say race doesn't matter ?