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    Some have sharp and straight noses, while others have fleshy noses.
    There are also some Slavs who have hooker noses.
    So there are not special phenotypes about Slavic noses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium View Post
    The theories of Slavic migration to the Balkans is getting proven to be wrong. Don't be so sure about that
    The "Slavic nose" could be East Nordid, Pontid and maybe Noric.
    They are not wrong, at least when it comes to the migration of R1a lineages pattern. Anyway, I don't know about I2a2 migrations well but this haplo seems to be more indigenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    There is something you can name as a "Slavic look", as well as some "Germanic look" and "Romance look" exist.
    pred.Dinarid German is Germanic in terms of nationality and language but he hardly looks like Germanic, you know what I mean?
    Dinarids and Alpinids don't look like an ancestors of Slavs too, Balkans were just slavicised linguistically and more or less - genetically.
    "Dinarid" looking German will genetically still be an average German and have almost nothing in common genetically with anything south of the Alps.
    Handling terms like Dinarids, Alpinids will lead nowhere.

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    Slavic people's noses can take any shape or form. But I would say generally they are on the longish side, not too wide, have a nice roundish tip and not a droopy tip (but don't look at old people's noses since age will make a nose droopy), could be straight bridged or have a slight bump to the bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solin View Post
    "Dinarid" looking German will genetically still be an average German and have almost nothing in common genetically with anything south of the Alps.
    Handling terms like Dinarids, Alpinids will lead nowhere.
    That's true, you can have phenotype after some distant member of your family, and this member could have his look after another distant member and so on and so far.
    My point was about somewhat stereotypical but still genuine look of Slavic ethnicity. It's undoubtable that they looked rather Nordid/Pontid and Osteuropid than Dinarid/Alpinoid which came later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    They are not wrong, at least when it comes to the migration of R1a lineages pattern. Anyway, I don't know about I2a2 migrations well but this haplo seems to be more indigenuous.
    So what are R1a migrations? Where does it originate and what do you think where does I2a2 originate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solin View Post
    So what are R1a migrations? Where does it originate and what do you think where does I2a2 originate?
    R1a place of origins is debatable, because we don't have aDNA Y-DNA from Paleolithic and not so many from Mesolithic too.Tested people with one of the oldest R1a clades live today in Iran, England(!), we have one really old R1a result from Macedonia and more to come in.
    I2a2 is said to have originated somewhere at the northern Mediterranean coast but I suppose it's clear speculation too.

    Migrations of modern R1a coorelated with Slavs(but not exclusively them) are clearly from Central European Corded Ware zone, heading both Eastern and Southern Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solin View Post
    So what are R1a migrations? Where does it originate and what do you think where does I2a2 originate?
    Not to get off topic, I would say the R1a migration to South Slavic lands came originally from the area that is now Poland and the Ukraine, and possibly Belarus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xajapa View Post
    Not to get off topic, I would say the R1a migration to South Slavic lands came originally from the area that is now Poland and the Ukraine, and possibly Belarus.
    Indeed.Complex Y-DNA analysis indicates that most(but not all) balkan R1a is from slavic invasion from the lands noth of Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    R1a place of origins is debatable, because we don't have aDNA Y-DNA from Paleolithic and not so many from Mesolithic too.Tested people with one of the oldest R1a clades live today in Iran, England(!), we have one really old R1a result from Macedonia and more to come in.
    I2a2 is said to have originated somewhere at the northern Mediterranean coast but I suppose it's clear speculation too.

    Migrations of modern R1a coorelated with Slavs(but not exclusively them) are clearly from Central European Corded Ware zone, heading both Eastern and Southern Europe.
    I wrote I2a2 because you wrote it too. I meant specifically I2a2a ( now called I2a1b ).

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