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    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes
    A little more than a year ago, I noticed an interesting pattern in North Europeans: they all tended to be shifted towards East Asians in PCA plots:


    With respect to the Asian- and African- shift of West Eurasian populations, I note that northern Europeans (and Basques) are less African-shifted than southern Europeans, and, at the same time they are more Asian-shifted: the 16 least Asian-shifted populations have a coastline in the Mediterranean (excluding the Portuguese), while the 16 least African-shifted populations do not (excluding the French).

    The same pattern could also be observed in the arrangement of the ancestral components inferred by the Dodecad Project. The "Atlantic_Baltic" component, which is modal in Northern Europeans, exhibits lowered genetic divergences to the East Eurasian components (Siberian / East_Asian) relative to the "Southern" component which is modal (in Europe) in Southern Europeans.


    The fact that Southern European populations were shifted towards the African side relative to Northern European ones across an African-Asian projection, was interpreted by Moorjani et al. (2011) as evidence of African admixture. As I noted at the time, this entailed the assumption that Northern European populations did not have East Asian admixture, which would also produce the observed pattern:

    However, this is clearly a case of seeing the glass half full. The authors prefer the hypothesis that some Caucasoid groups have African ancestry, although the hypothesis that other Caucasoid groups have East Asian ancestry can equally well explain the observed pattern. Indeed, both hypotheses may explain the phenomenon they observe.

    It now appears that some of the co-authors of the above paper have realised this, and have detected Central/East Asian admixture in northern Europeans. Writing in the supplement of the recent Reich et al. (2012) paper, we read this important aside:

    A complication in computing this statistic is that Native American, Siberian, and East Asian populations are not all equally genetically related to West Eurasian populations, as we can see empirically from 4 Population Tests of the proposed tree (Yoruba, (French, (East Asian, Native American))) failing dramatically whether the East Asian population is Han, Chukchi, Naukan and Koryak. The explanation for this is outside the scope of this study (it has to do with admixture events in Europe, as we explain in another paper in submission). In practice, however, it means that we cannot simply use a European population like French to represent West Eurasians in Equation S3.2, since if we do this, Equation S3.2 may have a non-zero value for a Native American population, even without recent European admixture.

    To address this complication, we took advantage of the fact that east/central Asian admixture has affected northern Europeans to a greater extent than Sardinians (in our separate manuscript in submission, we show that this is a result of the different amounts of central/east Asian-related gene flow into these groups). To quantify this, we computed the statistic f4(San, West Eurasian; Pop1, Pop2) for West Eurasian = Sardinian and West Eurasian = French, and for 24 Siberian and Native American populations (Pop1 and Pop2) (Figure S3.2). Figure S3.2 shows a scatterplot for all 190=20?19/2 possible pairs of these populations. Within nonArctic Native populations, and within Arctic populations (East Greenland Inuit, Chukchi, Naukan and Koryak), the statistics are close to zero, consistent with their being (approximate) clades relative to West Eurasians. In contrast, there are deviations from zero when the comparisons are between non-Arctic Native and Arctic populations, with non-Arctic Native populations showing consistent evidence of being genetically closer to West Eurasians.

    David Reich has hinted about ancient admixture in Europeans before, and is apparently working on the South Asian admixture event. It would appear that the new works might be using the newer techniques employed in the Reich et al (2012) paper, which allows one to consider multiple admixture events rather than the more simple ones of Reich et al. (2009) and Moorjani et al. (2011) that considered only two ancestral populations.

    I will, of course, eagerly wait the publication of the mentioned manuscript, but it appears that this is not the only piece of evidence of gene flow from Central Asia into Europe. In an SMBE 2012 abstract by Palstra et al. we read:

    Using an approximate Bayesian framework, we find that present patterns of genetic diversity in Central Asia may be best explained by a demographic history which combines long-term presence of some ethnic groups (Indo-Iranians) with a more recent admixed origin of other groups (Turco-Mongols). Interestingly, the results also provide indications that this region might have genetically influenced Western European populations, rather than vice versa. A further evaluation in MCMC-based Bayesian analyses of isolation-with-migration models confirms the different times of establishment of ethnic groups, and suggests gene flow into Central Asia from the east. The results from the approximate Bayesian and full Bayesian analyses are thus largely congruent. In conclusion, these analyses illustrate the power of Bayesian inference on genetic data and suggest that the high genetic diversity in Central Asia reflects both long-term presence and admixture in more recent historical times.

    Neither of these two upcoming pieces of work mention the timing of the Central Asian element in Europe:

    • One possibility is that the Mesolithic Europeans were Asian-shifted themselves.

    • Another one would relate it to the emerging ancient mtDNA picture of deep penetration of Mongoloid elements into west Eurasia at the dawn of history, although the western limit of this penetration has not been conclusively ascertained.



    In two of the existing models of how the latter event took place (the Armenian plateau hypothesis of Gamkrlidze and Ivanov and the Bactria Sogdiana hypothesis of Johanna Nichols), the Indo-Europeans followed separate streams from their eastern homeland into Europe, with some groups following a path north of the Black and Caspian seas, while others followed a southern path from Anatolia to the Balkans. The northern dispersal route would have brought them into contact with the mixed Caucasoid/Mongoloid population of West Siberia and Eastern Europe, and they may have carried some of this DNA across their sweep over Northern Europe.



    My own working hypothesis would derive the earliest Proto-Indo-Europeans with groups living in Neolithic eastern Anatolia and northern Mesopotamia. There are details to be fleshed out, such as when this group of people reached the Balkans (pending ancient DNA from the region), and how they interfaced with the populations living in the north of the Black and Caspian seas (e.g., via a trans-Caucasus movement or a counterclockwise spread around the Caspian).

    We will know soon enough how and when Northern Europeans ended up with an extra slice of Central/East Asian ancestry. Things are looking good for our understanding of events in Eurasian prehistory.
    http://dienekes.blogspot.no/2012/07/...ixture-in.html

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    The map above was posted by Ibericus
    That article is no mystery since North Euro component ( or Atlantic_Baltic ) is slightly shifted towards East Asia but it is till far from it + there is some minor Syberian admixture

    The fact that Southern European populations were shifted towards the African side relative to Northern European ones across an African-Asian projection, was interpreted by Moorjani et al. (2011) as evidence of African admixture.
    So according to that map Med component is located the most farthest away from the Africans.
    My questions are
    Do under "Southern Europeans" Sardinians count?
    If so how come they are African shifted when med component is located the farthest away from Africans? Are they African influenced?
    Is southern component in your chart med component?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solin View Post
    If so how come they are African shifted when med component is located the farthest away from Africans? Are they African influenced?
    Is southern component in your chart med component?.
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    Sardinians are ∼ 10% SWA+NWA on k12b and 0.3% negroid on k10a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli View Post
    Sardinians are ∼ 10% SWA+NWA on k12b and 0.3% negroid on k10a.
    Ok. Thanks. That is probably why they shift towards African population just as Finns with their "minor" Syberian side shift towards Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solin View Post


    The map above was posted by Ibericus
    That article is no mystery since North Euro component ( or Atlantic_Baltic ) is slightly shifted towards East Asia but it is till far from it.



    So according to that map Med component is located the most farthest away from the Africans.
    My questions are
    Do under "Southern Europeans" Sardinians count?
    If so how come they are African shifted when med component is located the farthest away from Africans? Are they African influenced?
    Is southern component in your chart med component?
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    i don't understand your reference to sardinians

    Moorjani at al?
    moorjani's research is considered wrong, and the enormous mistakes committed were revealed by dienekes:

    http://dienekes.blogspot.it/2011/04/...-eurasian.html

    "Sardinians are an important test case for the authors' model. Their 3-population test shows no evidence of admixture, while the 4-population test does. Moreover, their STRUCTURE analysis shows a trivial 0.2%, whereas the authors estimate their Sub-Saharan admixture as 2.9%.
    Let's begin by performing a PCA analysis of Sardinians, CHB, and CEU, which is shown below.
    (All PCA analyses are done in smartpca as implemented in EIGENSOFT 4.0 beta, withnumoutlieriter set to 0. All analyses are performed over datasets merged in PLINK with the --geno 0.001 flag, which effectively keeps only common markers and ensures a high quality dataset)


    CEU is shifted towards CHB relative to Sardinian. This is made more visually obvious if we blow up the CEU/CHB portion of the above plot:

    CEU is shifted towards CHB by 2.4% relative to Sardinians. This is quite close to the 2.5% East/South Asian K=3 admixture for Britons in my most recent analysis, done with a different East Asian reference and a different method (ADMIXTURE); the CEU sample of White Utahns has been repeatedly shown to be most similar to people from the British Isles or Northwestern Europe.
    Now, let's look at Sardinians, CHB, and YRI:


    and a blowup:

    Sardinians are shifted 1.1% relative to CEU towards YRI. Again, this is close to the 0.9% K=3 Sub-Saharan ADMIXTURE result I recently obtained.
    So, where does the 2.9% Sub-Saharan admixture in Sardinians come from? Moorjani et al. estimate this percentage under the assumption that Northern Europeans are not shifted towards Chinese, i.e., that East Eurasians are irrelevant. Clearly, as we have seen, this is wrong. As we shall see, this erroneous assumption leads to the erroneous admixture estimate.
    2.9% Sub-Saharan admixture in Sardinians (?)
    Now, I will demonstrate how the spurious 2.9% result can be obtained. By doing so, it will become obvious why Moorjani et al. obtained this result as a result of ignoring the eastern Asian shift of their northern European sample in their analysis.
    Here is a PCA plot of Sardinians, CEU, CHB, YRI:

    and the blowup:

    When we run all four populations together, Sardinians are shifted towards YRI along Dimension 1, and CEU are shifted towards CHB along Dimension 2. Given that the eigenvalue for PC1 is approximately twice (50.15) that for PC2 (25.31), and doing a little high school geometry on the triangle (Sardinian, CEU, YRI), we project Sardinian onto the CEU-YRI line, intersecting at point X. We thus obtain the estimated "CEU" admixture as:
    [distance(YRI,X)-distance(X,CEU)]/[distance(YRI,X)+distance(X,CEU)] = [distance(YRI, Sardinian)^2-distance(CEU,Sardinian)^2] / distance(CEU,YRI)^2
    which equals 0.971021, and so, "YRI" admixture is 2.9%!"


    this is a new updated autosomal map, realised few weeks ago (sardinians cluster next to spaniards and northern italians)


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    I chosed Sardinians because they are Southern Europeans and in some studies they are up to 70% Med but as Joseph Capelli posted I was not so aware of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by askra View Post

    this is a new updated autosomal map, realised few weeks ago (sardinians cluster next to spaniards and northern italians)

    That one is quite old I believe, look at the lack of samples(there is no Scandinavian cluster like in the newer maps... at least I can see myself 'NO2' though)

    http://bga101.blogspot.no/
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