Serbian terror in Macedonia

[Pribislav]

Some of my ancestors were Greek patriarchists and also spoke fluently both the local dialect and Greek. They just happened to live on that side of the border occupied by the Serbs.
What were they?
Is the church affiliation the only condition to belong to a certain ethnicity?

On the other hand, my paternal side comes from a mountain village from an area of Mariovo and Karadjova that was semi autochthonous, as it was Mani for example in Greece and was recorded as a safe heaven for bandits and hajduks. The Turks finally subdued the area in the late 18th century. They were attending a Bulgarian school although there was a Greek school in the village as well and called themselves Macedonians only.

So it's not one sided as you like to say about the belonging to the Bulgarian Exarchate.

This is one of many times when you show to us here you non Slavo-Macedonian origin.
Your ancestors were Arvanitovlachs who knew Greek language as well (Vlach city Moscopole once was center of neo-helenism). Your family is recently slavo-macedonized you crypto Vlach!

[Aspar]

This is one of many times when you show to us here you non Slavo-Macedonian origin.
Your ancestors were Arvanitovlachs who knew Greek language as well (Vlach city Moscopole once was center of neo-helenism). Your family is recently slavo-macedonized you crypto Vlach!

It shows how ignorant you are on this matter, especially when it comes for the Villayet of Solun. Most Patriarchists in the Villayet of Solun knew Greek to some degree as well apart from their mother tongue. The Greek was the main language for many things back than, whether commerce or for church service.
Your low IQ immediately jumps for Albanians and Vlachs although those ancestors of mine have nothing to do with those people and spoke only their local dialect(Enidze Vardar) which is by the way more closer to Bulgarian than to standard Macedonian and Greek.

Grigor Prlicev was a Bulgarian writer and translator from Ohrid who wrote the poem 'O Armatolos' on Greek. He studied in a Greek school in Ohrid and knew Greek fluently.

Does your low IQ also tell you about the Albanian-Vlach connection of Grigor Parlichev?

[Jackson78]

While speaking of establishment of Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia, Karl Ostreich notes: "An important part of rural population, even though it felt as Serb at that time, nonetheless grabbed the first opportunity of getting Slavic priesthood and therefore declared itself Bulgarian... Whoever joined Bulgarian Exarchate was registered in Turkish census documents as Bulgar-Milet, and in public eyes was mainly Bulgar".

Karl Oestreich „Die Bevolkerung von Makedonien“, Geographische Zeitschrift, Vol. XI, No.1, 1905, pp.291

...Serb tribes live in eastern mountains and hills around Debar, in Struga area, as well as on eastern shores of Lake Ohrid, furthermore in valleys of Resen and Prespa, in town of Bitola and its northeastern surroundings, in Srebrnica valley, and namely in communities Otporoš, Srbica, Mahmuša, Mrtvuća, alongside left, eastern area of White Drim in communities Kremovik, Mirožiš, Ćuprevo, Grebnik, Zlokuće...

Joseph Muller, “Albanien, Rumelien und die Osterreichisch-Montenegrinische Grenze”, Prague, 1844

When in doubt, blame Tito, Communism and 1945. That's all they have up their sleeves. Broken record and very cringe.

Hello.

This dumbo is hilarious...

Calls a famous British etnographer and traveler a stupid guy but takes as a relevant what some idiot Serb troll on internet said.

Stupid idiot, the big difference is that while Pribislav's ancestors called themselves Dalmatians and at the same time consider themselves Serbs, the Macedonians don't consider themselves as Serbs or any other etnicity.

So why do you even care about?

He's so famous that today is the first time I've ever heard of him, maybe he is known to general public in some parallel universe of yours.

And fuck of, serbophobic moron.

[Mingle]

Why does the '1945 communist invention' argument still occur when it is easily destroyed?

Would you agree with the statement that the Slavic-speaking population of modern North Macedonia historically identified as ethnic Bulgarians and then started identifying as their own ethnicity in the mid-1800s and this identity was then later promoted/solidified (rather than invented) by Tito?

[Moje ime]

Sto se tice Makedonaca ja licno ne mislim da su Srbi ali mogu da kazem ovo - niste hteli da budete Srbi ili sa Srbima ali cete zato uskoro da budete Siptari. Isto vazi i za Crnogorce.

[Vojnik]

Would you agree with the statement that the Slavic-speaking population of modern North Macedonia historically identified as ethnic Bulgarians and then started identifying as their own ethnicity in the mid-1800s and this identity was then later promoted/solidified (rather than invented) by Tito?

The goal post just keeps on getting moved for Macedonians. The standard is now the mid 1800’s, instead of 1945 onwards.

The Macedonian identity emerged out of the dying days of the Ottoman Empire, organically. Against all pressure to Serbianise, Hellenise and Bulgarise the population. Yes, I accept communism solidified it and not created it. I believe the Bulgarianess of Macedonians is a lie. No I don’t believe my ancestors identified as ethnic Bulgarians.

[PAGANE]

Macedonian identity you say!
The Macedonian essence of the Ilinden Uprising. This is absolutely false. The Ilinden uprising was made by the organization of the Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire from the Black Sea to the Albanian mountains. Residents of the present-day Republic of Macedonia and Eastern Thrace, the Rhodopes, the Black Sea and the Pirin region also participate in this uprising. In this uprising, 26,400 rebels were armed almost entirely with rifles stolen from Bulgarian barracks. These are good weapons, the best of the era. This is precisely what allows the rebels, such as in the Bitola district, to continue their hostilities until October and invite them to lay down their weapons. And the uprising was led by Bulgarian officers specifically seconded by military intelligence for this purpose. Some of them come with troops, fully prepared in Bulgaria, as a gen. Tsonchev, Colonel Costa Yankov, Lieutenant Zafirov, Boris Sarafov, etc. This is an entirely Bulgarian uprising and if anyone is to protest, it should be us and we do not agree with the common celebration of a Bulgarian uprising. What the Macedonian National Archive has published in recent years - 5 volumes of Turkish sources about the Ilinden Uprising. These are documents of Turkish administrative and military heads of districts and suburbs in the uprising. And what does it say about, for example, the Ohrid Kaaza? "Last night, at midnight, all 24 Bulgarian villages in my entrusted neighborhood rebelled. The rebels burned down haystacks, knocked down telephone poles, burned down a Turkish village ... “eat what you are. Nowhere in these 3500 documents is the word Macedonian mentioned. The publisher may have felt uncomfortable because in the small 3-page preface he wrote the following: “The reader will immediately notice that in all documents the Macedonian rebels are called Bulgarian. We will explain the reasons for this phenomenon in the next volume. Of course, there is no explanation in the next volume. But there is something worse. The Turks captured a total of 1004 rebels. The following year they were released thanks to the amnesty achieved by Bulgarian Prime Minister Racho Petrov. The State Archives of Macedonia publishes in one large book the police records of all 1004 freed rebels. They state in one place what they are by nationality. With the exception of two Serbs and three Vlachs, everyone else claims to be Orthodox Bulgarians. 998 people out of 1004. One single document to show me is that the rebels in the Ilinden Uprising are called Macedonians. They will not and never will.

[Crn Volk]

Macedonian identity you say!
The Macedonian essence of the Ilinden Uprising. This is absolutely false. The Ilinden uprising was made by the organization of the Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire from the Black Sea to the Albanian mountains. Residents of the present-day Republic of Macedonia and Eastern Thrace, the Rhodopes, the Black Sea and the Pirin region also participate in this uprising. In this uprising, 26,400 rebels were armed almost entirely with rifles stolen from Bulgarian barracks. These are good weapons, the best of the era. This is precisely what allows the rebels, such as in the Bitola district, to continue their hostilities until October and invite them to lay down their weapons. And the uprising was led by Bulgarian officers specifically seconded by military intelligence for this purpose. Some of them come with troops, fully prepared in Bulgaria, as a gen. Tsonchev, Colonel Costa Yankov, Lieutenant Zafirov, Boris Sarafov, etc. This is an entirely Bulgarian uprising and if anyone is to protest, it should be us and we do not agree with the common celebration of a Bulgarian uprising. What the Macedonian National Archive has published in recent years - 5 volumes of Turkish sources about the Ilinden Uprising. These are documents of Turkish administrative and military heads of districts and suburbs in the uprising. And what does it say about, for example, the Ohrid Kaaza? "Last night, at midnight, all 24 Bulgarian villages in my entrusted neighborhood rebelled. The rebels burned down haystacks, knocked down telephone poles, burned down a Turkish village ... “eat what you are. Nowhere in these 3500 documents is the word Macedonian mentioned. The publisher may have felt uncomfortable because in the small 3-page preface he wrote the following: “The reader will immediately notice that in all documents the Macedonian rebels are called Bulgarian. We will explain the reasons for this phenomenon in the next volume. Of course, there is no explanation in the next volume. But there is something worse. The Turks captured a total of 1004 rebels. The following year they were released thanks to the amnesty achieved by Bulgarian Prime Minister Racho Petrov. The State Archives of Macedonia publishes in one large book the police records of all 1004 freed rebels. They state in one place what they are by nationality. With the exception of two Serbs and three Vlachs, everyone else claims to be Orthodox Bulgarians. 998 people out of 1004. One single document to show me is that the rebels in the Ilinden Uprising are called Macedonians. They will not and never will.

Not so simple

[Crn Volk]

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...donia+-------1

[Aspar]

Sto se tice Makedonaca ja licno ne mislim da su Srbi ali mogu da kazem ovo - niste hteli da budete Srbi ili sa Srbima ali cete zato uskoro da budete Siptari. Isto vazi i za Crnogorce.

Moje Ime, that's not quite correct. If that's the public opinion in your country than that is quite bad. Why would the Macedonians be with the Serbs only? Why not Bulgaria or Greece? As for the Albanians, they are doing well in our country and the country is still in piece unlike in Kosovo. You did wrong and you lost, we mind our job and we are doing well although as is the case in most of the Balkans, the poorness is the big issue, not the Albanians. So, what you are saying is just a projecting from the part of the Serb society who don't want to admit that it did mistakes and was wrong but is trying to project it's own fears to the others.

As for the unity of the Macedonians and the Serbs this is what Todor Aleksandrov, the VMRO leader had to say back in the day:

Писмо напишано во септември 1923 година од Тодор Александров до Јован Јовичевиќ, писмото е објавено од државниот архив на Република Македонија.

http://www.strumski.com/books/T_Alek..._Jovicevic.pdf

"Почитуван господине,

Вашиот план за една југословенска федеративна република не само што не е необичаен туку и е многу разумен. Што има подобро од тоа - Црна Гора, Босна, Хрватска, Словенија, Банат, Србија, Македонија, Бугарија - да формираат една федеративна република. Така би се создала една голема држава од албанските планини до Црно Море и од Трст до Солун. Кон таа федерација доброволно и по потреба, би се присоединиле и Грција, и Албанија, па и Романија, иако несловенски земји, па таа би се проширила до општобалканска федерација. Ние особено сметаме на тоа бидејќи во Македонија, нашата татковина, освен Бугари, живеат и Грци, и Турци, и Албанци, и Власи, па кога таа ќе биде самоуправна политичка единица во федерацијата, ќе може да се уреди така за сите споменати народности да имаат исти и еднакви права.

Ние, македонските Бугари, многу страдавме и страдаме, та не сакаме ниту еден друг народ, колку и да е мал, да страда.

Меѓутоа, наивност е да се мисли дека кралот Александар и кликата околу него од офицери, политичари и професори ќе го прифатат доброволно Вашиот план. Тие, кои посегнаа подмолно врз независноста на јуначка Црна Гора која, единствена од христијанските земји на полуостровот, не ѝ се потчини на големата Отоманска Империја - тие империјалисти братоубијци никогаш доброволно нема да се откажат од своето владеење и од својот престапен пансрбизам..."

So, if the Serbs have to blame someone, that's only them and their imperialism, not the Montengrians and certainly not the Macedonians.