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    Why does the '1945 communist invention' argument still occur when it is easily destroyed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

    Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:


    Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:


    I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.
    My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
    Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.

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    In 1900, according to the Carnegie Survey, there were only 700 Serbs in Macedonia. In order to secure the possession of Macedonia, the Serbs made a tremendous effort to colonize the country, denationalize it and assimilate it and break its ethnic integrity. Enticed by the great privileges of land distribution and high salaries, a large number of Serbs from Sumadija and Montenegro have migrated over a period of 20 years. The commander of the Vardar region, Colonel Lubo Bajaktarevic, in an order to the commander of the 3rd Army District, suggested: "All power in Macedonia should be surrendered to the commander of the 3rd Army, settling in several villages in several safe families from the old regions. " In the same letter, he proposes to evict (!) The residents of Shtip and Veles, as their cities are the safest shelters of the committees. In one letter, Skopje's ban and police chief Zika Lazic (July 6, 1923) ordered that between 5 and 15,000 dinars be given to each newly-settled colonialist family, obliging them to carry out counter-Chetnik activities. Large tracts of fertile land are earmarked for the colonists, houses are being built specifically for them, agricultural implements for cultivation of the land, seeds, cattle and cash loans are being acquired.
    Starting from the understanding to create an area separating Macedonia from Bulgaria, the colonists were directed more towards the neighborhoods adjacent to the Bulgarian border.
    By 1940, 425 colonial families from Serbia, Montenegro, Dalmatia, and Bosnia were accommodated in Gevgelija. 22 colonies with 608 families were established in Ovche Pole and Shtipsko. 480 families are settled in Strumishko and Radovishko, with 270 in Radovishko alone. 131 families are settled in Kochanski, Tsarevoselsko, Zletovsko and Maleshevsko, with 74 in Pehchevo alone. In total, only 50% of all colonists are accommodated in Southwestern Macedonia. By 1940, 280 colonies were created in Vardar Macedonia with 4,167 families spread across 23 counties. These settlers are the pillar of power - the eyes and ears of the repressive organs.
    According to their congress, "the colonists serve the local and police authorities and are the vanguard of anti-national elements. They are the guards of public safety." Here are some details recognized by Serb-Macedonian agents.
    At the first congress of the Macedonian Communist Party, Gailer Lazar Kolishevski admitted in his report: "By 1600, 1600 Macedonians had been killed. 30,000 people were imprisoned. In 1927, despite the amnesty, there were still 7,500 Macedonians in prisons in Yugoslavia."
    Kiril Milyovski, a well-known Serbian wretcher, admits: "After the assassination of General Mikhail Kovacevic on June 6, 1927, 1000 people were imprisoned in Shtip and Shtipsko. Many villages were burned and 200 people were killed."
    A horrific comparison is needed here. The figures quoted by Koliszewski, namely 1,600 killed and 30,000 prisoners, are undoubtedly accurate. Let's compare these figures with the victims of the Ilinden Uprising in the Bitola Revolutionary District, which is the center of the uprising and the most active in the struggle. According to the VMRO Memoir of 1940, those killed in the uprising amounted to 1,779 people. with only 179 more civilians killed by Serbian tyrants. And only until 1926!

    "Тирани, всуе се морите!
    Не се гаси туй, що не гасне!
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
    Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.
    But if you see the quote again, the writer is clearly comparing Macedonians to another ethnicity, the Serbs:

    "The inhabitants here are no more Serb than the Macedonians of Serbia - they speak Macedonian, and they call themselves Macedonians."
    If he was saying "Macedonians" as in a regional term, he'd compare them to another regional term.

    The author clearly meant what he said in a ethnic term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    In 1900, according to the Carnegie Survey, there were only 700 Serbs in Macedonia. In order to secure the possession of Macedonia, the Serbs made a tremendous effort to colonize the country, denationalize it and assimilate it and break its ethnic integrity. Enticed by the great privileges of land distribution and high salaries, a large number of Serbs from Sumadija and Montenegro have migrated over a period of 20 years. The commander of the Vardar region, Colonel Lubo Bajaktarevic, in an order to the commander of the 3rd Army District, suggested: "All power in Macedonia should be surrendered to the commander of the 3rd Army, settling in several villages in several safe families from the old regions. " In the same letter, he proposes to evict (!) The residents of Shtip and Veles, as their cities are the safest shelters of the committees. In one letter, Skopje's ban and police chief Zika Lazic (July 6, 1923) ordered that between 5 and 15,000 dinars be given to each newly-settled colonialist family, obliging them to carry out counter-Chetnik activities. Large tracts of fertile land are earmarked for the colonists, houses are being built specifically for them, agricultural implements for cultivation of the land, seeds, cattle and cash loans are being acquired.
    Starting from the understanding to create an area separating Macedonia from Bulgaria, the colonists were directed more towards the neighborhoods adjacent to the Bulgarian border.
    By 1940, 425 colonial families from Serbia, Montenegro, Dalmatia, and Bosnia were accommodated in Gevgelija. 22 colonies with 608 families were established in Ovche Pole and Shtipsko. 480 families are settled in Strumishko and Radovishko, with 270 in Radovishko alone. 131 families are settled in Kochanski, Tsarevoselsko, Zletovsko and Maleshevsko, with 74 in Pehchevo alone. In total, only 50% of all colonists are accommodated in Southwestern Macedonia. By 1940, 280 colonies were created in Vardar Macedonia with 4,167 families spread across 23 counties. These settlers are the pillar of power - the eyes and ears of the repressive organs.
    According to their congress, "the colonists serve the local and police authorities and are the vanguard of anti-national elements. They are the guards of public safety." Here are some details recognized by Serb-Macedonian agents.
    At the first congress of the Macedonian Communist Party, Gailer Lazar Kolishevski admitted in his report: "By 1600, 1600 Macedonians had been killed. 30,000 people were imprisoned. In 1927, despite the amnesty, there were still 7,500 Macedonians in prisons in Yugoslavia."
    Kiril Milyovski, a well-known Serbian wretcher, admits: "After the assassination of General Mikhail Kovacevic on June 6, 1927, 1000 people were imprisoned in Shtip and Shtipsko. Many villages were burned and 200 people were killed."
    A horrific comparison is needed here. The figures quoted by Koliszewski, namely 1,600 killed and 30,000 prisoners, are undoubtedly accurate. Let's compare these figures with the victims of the Ilinden Uprising in the Bitola Revolutionary District, which is the center of the uprising and the most active in the struggle. According to the VMRO Memoir of 1940, those killed in the uprising amounted to 1,779 people. with only 179 more civilians killed by Serbian tyrants. And only until 1926!

    "Тирани, всуе се морите!
    Не се гаси туй, що не гасне!
    Only 700 Serbs in 1900, it's bullshit.

    Some my cousins and countymen after WW1 arrived to the Macedonia as colonists.

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    Edmond Bouchie "Macedonia and the Macedonians" 1922:

    “In the district of Ostrovo / Bitola nine times out of ten these people, despite being the subject of dispute by three adjoining countries – Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece – would reply in response to the question as to their nationality that they were Macedonians”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

    Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:


    Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:


    I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.
    Who cares for the stupid British propaganda?

    Pribislav explained that nice:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
    Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.
    And it is just regional identity, just like with Montenegrins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    Who cares for the stupid British propaganda?

    Pribislav explained that nice:



    And it is just regional identity, just like with Montenegrins.
    Yeah. The British were secretly communist yugoslavs gone back in time to create the Macedonian nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Yeah. The British were secretly communist yugoslavs gone back in time.
    Regional identity man, deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    Regional identity man, deal with it.
    Seems like communist propaganda to me.

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