Finnic arrival

[Hweinlant]

Just a theory, what do you think ?

Spread of Hiv-immunity



Spread of light hair



Spread of ligh eys



Supposed spread of Finnic languages

[Hweinlant]

No Comments ? It's only genetics and Nordic outlook combination....

[Loki]

There is definitely a correlation in distribution, I agree. Thanks for the maps.

[Osweo]

Spread of Hiv-immunity

The concentration among the inhabitants of Arkhangelsk Province is striking! I wonder if we're looking at ancient Veps/Komi substrate in the local Russian 'Pomor' population, or the results of more recent adaptation? A very small population up there on the Tundra, naturally, so an ancient plague could have had more noticeable selective effect than elsewhere, I suppose. It spreads across to the Kola Peninsula, so probably involves the Pomors taking it across the White Sea rather than the earlier inhabitants, unless it was taken there by relatively recent Samoyed migrations. Interesting!

[Albion]

That map is from Uirala, it supposes that pre-Indo-European Europe would have spoken Finnic languages.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

The correlations are so evident that only hardcore-dumbos can still refuse the Finnic influence on the selective traits obvious in northern Europeans.

[Heretik]

What would "atlanto-finnic" be?

[Peerkons]

What would "atlanto-finnic" be?

Finnic kingdom where everyone speaks estonian, where latvians and other "balto-slavs" are kept in concentration camps and Karl is king.

[Albion]

The correlations are so evident that only hardcore-dumbos can still refuse the Finnic influence on the selective traits obvious in northern Europeans.

Before the spread of IE languages I believe Finnic probably would have been the predominant language family in Europe. Its expansion during other periods of history can be explained by the shifting of its speakers and in some areas it probably "won back" territory lost to adopters of IE languages.

In the west Theo (?) Vanneman argues for a "Vasconic" language family with Basque as the sole survivor and correlating roughly with the post-Ice Age expansion of humans from the Basque refuge out across Western Europe (roughly Northern Iberia, France, Benelux, British Isles, parts of Norway).

Andres Paabo who's the creator of the Uirala website uses theories I've seen from Finland before as well as a few of his own to claim that most of Europe formerly spoke Finno-Ugric languages and that "Vasconic" and Basque actually belong to a very isolated form of Finnic.
Paabo's theory is based around waterways and that Finnic spread along riparian zones as farming is meant to have spread to Germany (rivers).

Paabo makes some quite interesting claims but also adds a few I'm not so certain about such as a Finnic contact and influence upon the Ainu and British Columbian Amerindians.
Over his argument regarding whether Western Europe spoke "Vasconic" or his theory about "Atlanto-Finnic" I don't see much evidence to claim either way so far but I've wrote to him before and he does make some good arguments for "Atlanto-Finnic" but I'd say its inconclusive.

[Heretik]

Before the spread of IE languages I believe Finnic probably would have been the predominant language family in Europe. Its expansion during other periods of history can be explained by the shifting of its speakers and in some areas it probably "won back" territory lost to adopters of IE languages.

That's a very bold presumption especially if we take Celts into consideration who had their settlements all over Europe.