Size and Phenotypes

[Mordid]

As a rule of thumb, for Atlantomediterranid the same is true as for Nordid physically.

Yeah, they are basically same but are there slightly difference between them ? I mean tall Nordid tend to be more robust than Gracile-Med, right ?

Could you post a picture of textbook Nordid bodytype ?

[Raikaswinþs]

I don't see how can be European Subraces, when there isn't anything like an European Races. Maybe , if we need to use the term race, we should speak about European Races, nd not subraces, since morphologically Spaniards and Finns are as different, if not more, than Spaniards and Turks, or Portuguese and Iranians

[Ibericus]

I don't see how can be European Subraces, when there isn't anything like an European Races. Maybe , if we need to use the term race, we should speak about European Races, nd not subraces, since morphologically Spaniards and Finns are as different, if not more, than Spaniards and Turks, or Portuguese and Iranians

Not sure about phenotype, but it's not true genetically.

[Agrippa]

Yeah, they are basically same but are there slightly difference between them ? I mean tall Nordid tend to be more robust than Gracile-Med, right ?

Could you post a picture of textbook Nordid bodytype ?

Trained sinewy Leptosomic to Leptosomic-Athletic Nordoids, the ideal body type for males, highly progressive, from H.F.K. Günther:

I don't see how can be European Subraces, when there isn't anything like an European Races. Maybe , if we need to use the term race, we should speak about European Races, nd not subraces, since morphologically Spaniards and Finns are as different, if not more, than Spaniards and Turks, or Portuguese and Iranians

Race is Europid.
Subraces or racial types are evolutionary trends, adaptive forms and specialisations which being represented by specific inheritable trait combinations.

Talking about Finns and Spaniards morphology, a Berid in Spain might be less deviant from an Osteuropid Finn, than a either are to Atlantomediterranid and Nordid, which are, by definition, almost identical - main difference is pigmentation.

As for Turks, Anatolia was once closer to Europe, but since Armenoidisation took place, new elements came with people related to Caucasians and Semits, Mongoloid elements came in too, it isn't true any more for a large portion of the population, neither genetically nor racially.

There are European elements which are especially close to the Mediterranid-Alpinoid-Dinarid spectrum of Europe, but those are not representative for Turks as a whole, at best for the more European parts of it, which are essentially Islamicised and Turkified Europeans anyway.

[Mordid]

Trained sinewy Leptosomic to Leptosomic-Athletic Nordoids, the ideal body type for males, highly progressive, from H.F.K. Günther:

Where did you get this picture from ?

Race is Europid.
Subraces or racial types are evolutionary trends, adaptive forms and specialisations which being represented by specific inheritable trait combinations.

If i live in East Baltic for such a long time, would i become East Baltid ?

[Äike]

If i live in East Baltic for such a long time, would i become East Baltid ?

If you would be purely Cro-Magnon and you would live next to the Artic Circle in Northern-Finland or in some cold region of Russia, then your descendants would be borealized. The amount of borealization depends how cold it is.

The term "East-Baltid" is slightly misleading, because people on the eastern shores of the Baltic sea are usually West-Baltid, not East-Baltid. East-Baltid types are found in Russia and inland areas of Finland, close to the Arctic circle.

Cold -> West-Baltid
Colder -> Intermediate between West-Baltid and East-Baltid, thus just Baltid.
Very cold -> East-Baltid

That's my view of this subject.

[Tomasz]

If you would be purely Cro-Magnon and you would live next to the Artic Circle in Northern-Finland or in some cold region of Russia, then your descendants would be borealized. The amount of borealization depends how cold it is.

The term "East-Baltid" is slightly misleading, because people on the eastern shores of the Baltic sea are usually West-Baltid, not East-Baltid. East-Baltid types are found in Russia and inland areas of Finland, close to the Arctic circle.

Cold -> West-Baltid
Colder -> Intermediate between West-Baltid and East-Baltid, thus just Baltid.
Very cold -> East-Baltid

That's my view of this subject.

Weren't East-Baltids not only more borealized Baltids but also Lappoid-influenced?

[Äike]

Weren't East-Baltids not only more borealized Baltids but also Lappoid-influenced?

That's the opinion from the 1930's and 1940's, I disagree with that opinion. As I said before, that was my view of the subject.

Anthropology in the 19th century was even funnier:

[ikki]

Cro-magnon probly.

[Agrippa]

Weren't East-Baltids not only more borealized Baltids but also Lappoid-influenced?

That's true, they are basically the same stock, but altered by Mongoloid-Lappoid influences and even more extreme cold adaptation and selection usually.

Regionally these aspects overlap largely.

Colder -> Intermediate between West-Baltid and East-Baltid, thus just Baltid.

Actually many classic Baltid variants live in areas which are warmer and the temperature seems to be no big issue between Westbaltid and Baltid proper, rather the basic original variation and especially nutrition and social selection.

Baltid like Alpinid is essentially a peasant type rather.

Where did you get this picture from ?

Like you quoted by yourself:

from H.F.K. Günther

's main work about the racial composition of the German people.

Northern Russians, Lapps and Finns have Mongoloid admixture, slight but still, which might be that mysterious Uralic element which brought Finno-Ugrian speech, yDNA haplogroup N and Mongoliform/Mongoloid traits into the region, here a new study:


http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/10...-speakers.html

I'm pretty sure that Lapps would score even higher and Northern Finns in a similar way.