What if Yugoslavia still existed?

[el22]

The US intervened because Yugoslavia and its successor-state Serbia had outlived their usefulness as Cold War-era buffer states and it was readily apparent that Yugoslavia was the one socialist country that would not overthrow its own government after the fall of the wall.

The logical move was to bait the 3 main constituent groups into self-destruction by installing and supporting extremist/right-wing nationalist leaders in Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia (spending close to $77.2 million funding opposition nationalist elements) who would play upon historical and cultural grievances amongst the three states to entice them into war.

So, USA was jealous about the robustness of yougoslavia, and therefore decided that it was worth it to sacrifice < $77.2 million for the destruction of its archenemy?

[alfieb]

Try prior to WW2 (during which I might add the Albanian puppet state of Fascist Italy eliminated somewhere in the region of 200,000 to 400,000 Serbs from Kosovo).
Some reading for you:http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post1054922

WW2 was 1939-1945.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008.../kosovo.serbia

Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.

[Gospodine]

Serboslavia was a fake state anyway. Cold War era tool.

You're right. Yugoslavs should have lived like Bulgarians under Zhivkov or Albanians under Hoxha. Tens of thousands of dissidents dead, no relations with the outside world, taking it up the ass from the Soviets, ass backwards economy, standard of living on par with Turkmenistan.

Your only beef with Yugoslavia is that in 60 years Macedonians achieved more than Bulgaria did in 600 years.

[morski]

You're right. Yugoslavs should have lived like Bulgarians under Zhivkov or Albanians under Hoxha. Tens of thousands of dissidents dead, no relations with the outside world, taking it up the ass from the Soviets, ass backwards economy, standard of living on par with Turkmenistan.

Your only beef with Yugoslavia is that in 60 years Macedonians achieved more than Bulgaria did in 600 years.

Bullshit.

[el22]

So, Gospodine, is this the essence of your point?

So, USA was jealous about the robustness of yougoslavia, and therefore decided that it was worth it to sacrifice < $77.2 million for the destruction of its archenemy?

[Gospodine]

So, USA was jealous about the robustness of yougoslavia, and therefore decided that it was worth it to sacrifice < $77.2 million for the destruction of its archenemy?

That roughly equals the cost of one day's bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo War. So if you think money has ever been an inhibitor to American Foreign Policy decisions, think again.

I just outlined why Yugoslavia was actively undermined by the West; it's not a matter of debate but a matter of public record. Either educate yourself on the history of it or fuck off from the discussion.

WW2 was 1939-1945.

^ Finally, something out of your mouth that isn't complete horse shit.

Like I said, if you factor in Albania's displacement and murder of Serbs in Kosovo during WW2; and all the Albanian border-jumpers during Yugoslavia then it's blatantly evident why Kosovo rapidly became majority Albanian after WW2. But only after.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008.../kosovo.serbia

Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.

Noel Malcom

[meAyin-sixteen]

I'm just curious. What did USA to start the destruction of yougoslavia?

lf you can't afford the loan you could end up losing your state, but unfortunatelly loans are usually not written off if you die...

[el22]

That roughly equals the cost of one day's bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo War. So if you think money has ever been an inhibitor to American Foreign Policy decisions, think again.

I just outlined why Yugoslavia was actively undermined by the West; it's not a matter of debate but a matter of public record. Either educate yourself on the history of it or fuck off from the discussion.

I'm trying to educate myself, so, what exactly did the west to undermine yougoslavia?

[alfieb]

Who cares about Noel Malcolm? It was your own country who conducted the census.

If 1912 isn't enough for you, how about 1921?

According to the Yugoslavian census of 1921, Kosovo was 21% Orthodox, and 26% spoke a Slavic language. Yes, it was the Italians and Tito who stole Kosovo from you in the 1940s and 1950s!

[Insuperable]

It was a more than a descent country and it was only going up, so stricktly hypothetically I could say only the best if ethnic problems
were solved and if the Yugoslav identity wasn't put upon the people.

That US and Germany were involved in the breakup of Yugoslavia to me is just an another conspracy theory, but I am opened about the possibility because after Tito died tensions (yes, tensions existed) between nations were dramatically increased that someone could think they were engineered. It is more likely that the backwardness of Balkan inhabitants resurfaced and like Huszar said the war would happen in the future. Anyway, who knows.