Are modern Greeks really related to ancient Greeks?

[Vojnik]

I voted NO. The answer is in the question 'who are the modern Greeks?'.

The first constetution of Greece, 1827.
A Greek is a Christian.

??? —> 4. Provinces of Greece are all those that were taken and will be taken by weapons against the Ottoman Dynasty.

1) —> 6. Greeks are:
2) —> a. All those indigenous people of the Greek State who believe in Christ.
3) —> b. All those, believers in Christ, who under the Ottoman slavery, came or they will come to the Greek State to struggle or to reside in it.
4) —> e. All those aliens, who come and enrol as citizens.

NOTE: To become a Greek, it was enough to be a Christian!

So regardless if you are a Albanian, Turk, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Gypsy or Vlach, you are a Greek if you were a Christian and born in the Greek state. So what makes them the 'direct decendents of the ancient Hellens?'.

[Osprey]

Hellenes were better than the modern greeks, especially if the greeks on this forum are any representation of the modern greeks.

[Lithium]

Most of the people in Bulgaria think they are not, but I think the Modern Greeks are the direct descendants of the Ancient Greeks. There are no pure nations nowadays so they are probably mixed.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Yes 12 votes
3 of them are from Greeks

No 12 votes
5 of them are Bulgarian-Fyromian-Albanian-Turkish
4 are Ex-Yugoslavs.

You're just mad because Balkanoids know the region's history better than deluded philhellenes who believe in fairy tales produced by your modern state.

[Lithium]

You're just mad because Balkanoids know the region's history better than deluded philhellenes who believe in fairy tales produced by your state.

I think it's a bit impossible to talk about real history in the Balkans. Our peoples had a lot of conflicts and wars between each other. Every nation has different claims and "proofs".

[poiuytrewq0987]

I voted NO. The answer is in the question 'who are the modern Greeks?'.

The first constetution of Greece, 1827.
A Greek is a Christian.





So regardless if you are a Albanian, Turk, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Gypsy or Vlach, you are a Greek if you were a Christian and born in the Greek state. So what makes them the 'direct decendents of the ancient Hellens?'.

Yep, modern Greek identity is religious and not an ethnic one.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I think it's a bit impossible to talk about real history in the Balkans. Our peoples had a lot of conflicts and wars between each other. Every nation has different claims and "proofs".

True, but we do know the truth and sometimes we manipulate it to fit our ambitions better but in end we know what the "Greeks" are.

[Lithium]

True, but we do know the truth and sometimes we manipulate it to fit our ambitions better but in end we know what the "Greeks" are.

What other peoples think isn't that important. Their identity depends on the way they see it

[Vojnik]

The first president of Greece was an Albanian! 1824.





George Konduriottes was the first president of Greece and a ethnic Albanian that did not know a word of Greek.

[Vojnik]

During the mid 19th century, Edmond About wrote that "Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood.........Albanians form about one-fourth of the population of the country; they are in majority in Attica, in Arcadia, and in Hydra...."