The Meddest?

[WOOHP]

The thread is not just about the phenotype. If we are to believe there is a "Med" phenotype, after all.

Native Languedocians couldn't be more Med, by the way.

I know it isn't, but you said that Basque and West Iberians can hardly be classified as Med in many aspects when in fact phenotypically speaking they are more "Med" than many of the options you've got.

And the clear differences are?

Really? Tell me, what do you think when you hear someone say "the French riviera"? Personally I think of upper class people, yachting, expensive living, snobbiness, the Swedish Royal family(they spend every summer in St Maxime).

On the other hand we've got Mallorca, Alicante and Crete. Very cheap destinations for middleclass British, German, Russian, Scandinavian, Dutch families who want to relax before it's back to work/school and for youngsters who want to party. I've done that myself and people show zero respect towards the locals, they turn bars and nightclubs upside down it's all like an orgy mess.

[Comte Arnau]

I know it isn't, but you said that Basque and West Iberians can hardly be classified as Med in many aspects when in fact phenotypically speaking they are more "Med" than many of the options you've got.

Whoever really knows the western and northern shores of Iberia can perfectly appreciate the difference. Weather, food, architecture... The Atlantic and Med façades of France also show clear differences.

Really? Tell me, what do you think when you hear someone say "the French riviera"? Personally I think of upper class people, yachting, expensive living, snobbiness, the Swedish Royal family(they spend every summer in St Maxime).

On the other hand we've got Mallorca, Alicante and Crete. Very cheap destinations for middleclass British, German, Russian, Scandinavian, Dutch families who want to relax before it's back to work/school and for youngsters who want to party. I've done that myself and people show zero respect towards the locals, they turn bars and nightclubs upside down it's all like an orgy mess.

Lol. So the clear differences are not based on the traditional native ethnicities, but reduced to subjective impressions caused by rich foreign tourists in the last decades? Come on, I thought you were being serious.

And by the way, the fact you don't know about the resorts for the rich in the Iberian, Italian and Greek coasts doesn't mean they exist too. Not to mention that cities like Marseille are not what people think of as glamorous cities...

[Peyrol]

Marseille was a great city....before the XX siecle

[WOOHP]

Whoever really knows the western and northern shores of Iberia can perfectly appreciate the difference. Weather, food, architecture... The Atlantic and Med façades of France also show clear differences.

They are maybe not Med when it comes to culture but to say that they arn't Med "in many aspects" is totally wrong. Western and Eastern Spain are not worlds apart. Not to mention that there isn't much of a common Med culture to speak off.

Lol. So the clear differences are not based on the traditional native ethnicities, but reduced to subjective impressions caused by rich foreign tourists in the last decades? Come on, I thought you were being serious.

It's obviously a simplification. But there's also a reason to why it is like this today. It did not randomly just happen.

And by the way, the fact you don't know about the resorts for the rich in the Iberian, Italian and Greek coasts doesn't mean they exist too. Not to mention that cities like Marseille are not what people think of as glamorous cities...

I've never said that there isn't more to Greece and Spain than just the beaches and the weather(I know that there's much more to see, in Greece especially), but that's how most people view for an example Rhodos, Crete, Alicante, Sevilla or Mallorca.
The view of France as a whole is quite different. At least for me.

Marseille isn't a good example of a southern French city. Even many of the white people in Marseille arn't really ethnic French but recent immigrants from other parts of Europe. But last time I was there the city wasn't dirty or anything and seemed quite Ok, "despite" the high amount of non-Whites roaming around.

[Comte Arnau]

They are maybe not Med when it comes to culture but to say that they arn't Med "in many aspects" is totally wrong. Western and Eastern Spain are not worlds apart. Not to mention that there isn't much of a common Med culture to speak off.

France is slightly larger than Iberia and yet it is far more homogeneous. There are certainly worlds apart in Iberia. North-Western coasts that are similar to Ireland, the large wheat plains of Castile, the low flat even marshy South-West, an area in Huelva that's the closest on Earth to Mars, the arid desert areas in the South-East, the typically Med Eastern shore, the cold inland mountain areas, the SE Asian-like rice paddies in the Delta, the high Alpine-like area of the North-East... It's not even me who wrote about it, but a foreigner's view.

Worlds apart? No, that's true. We are all Iberians. We are all Europeans.

It's obviously a simplification. But there's also a reason to why it is like this today. It did not randomly just happen.

And the reason is?

I've never said that there isn't more to Greece and Spain than just the beaches and the weather(I know that there's much more to see, in Greece especially), but that's how most people view for an example Rhodos, Crete, Alicante, Sevilla or Mallorca.
The view of France as a whole is quite different. At least for me.

At least for you. Ok, if that is your personal view, I've got nothing to say. I myself know several parts of France and also have my personal point of view about them. Positive and negative. But I try not to generalize it.

Marseille isn't a good example of a southern French city. Even many of the white people in Marseille arn't really ethnic French but recent immigrants from other parts of Europe. But last time I was there the city wasn't dirty or anything and seemed quite Ok, "despite" the high amount of non-Whites roaming around.

Oh, so Marseille is not representative now, I see. Saint Tropez is?

Frankly, you seem to have a rather foreign view of it, not the view of a real southern French guy. Even Monaco still has some of its native middle class in there.

[alnortedelsur]

I know it isn't, but you said that Basque and West Iberians can hardly be classified as Med in many aspects when in fact phenotypically speaking they are more "Med" than many of the options you've got.

Nope, is exactly the other way around. Most people in the most Mediterranean regions of Spain (ie Catalonia, Balearic Islands, Valencia, Andalusia) can hardly be classified as the typical "med", let alone, Spaniards from the non-Mediterranean regions like Basque country, Castilla or Galicia. There are plenty of people in Mallorca, Catalonia, Valencia and Andalusia that look very "mainstream" European, and would NOT stand out in places like France or British Islands. Many people that know this well, consider the Mediterranean Spanish regions as an appendix of Atlantic Europe, phenotypically and genetically speaking

Lets see some people of some of the Mediterranean regions of Spain:

University of Barcelona, in Catalonia, Spain:



Spaniard kids from Mallorca (Balearic Islands), Spain:



Student protest in Valencia, Spain:



If you really think about Spain like a land full of clones of Antonio Banderas, you're definitively very wrong, since that is NOT true, even in the Spanish Mediterranean regions as can be seen in the videos above.

Seriously I would recommend you to stop watching so many Hollywood movies, travel more, and go back to school before posting about people that you don't know about. If you follow my advise you will stop doing so much fool of yourself every time you open your big mouth to talk about us.

Really? Tell me, what do you think when you hear someone say "the French riviera"? Personally I think of upper class people, yachting, expensive living, snobbiness, the Swedish Royal family(they spend every summer in St Maxime).

What the hell has to do to be a cheap destination with being more or less meditteranean??:confused2:

[Tooting Carmen]

There are plenty of people in Mallorca, Catalonia, Valencia and Andalusia that would NOT stand out in places like France or British Islands.

In absolute numbers, yes. Percentage-wise, that is debatable. Here is Empecinado's thread about people from Murcia (another Med region), for example. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...cia-(SE-Spain) Very very few would really pass in Britain. Btw, Britain and France are NOT the same thing, contrary to what you implied.

[Kenshiro]

Almost all traditional house typologies in Sardinia are not bleached (white plastering) , but constituted by stone in sight (granite, trachyte, basalt, tuff) or adobe bricks in the southern plains, or very coloured.
The only stereotyped "mediterranean typologies" are the turistic sea resorts in "neo mediterranean style" invented by the Swiss architect Jacque Couelle and the italian Luigi Vietti during the planning of the "Emerald Coast" at the end of 50's.

Stella Maris Church built in neo mediterranean style in Porto Cervo (town founded less of 60 years ago), (personally i like it, but generally in Sardinia is considered an extraneous style, commonly called "Stile Costa Smeralda":


poltu quatu (another sea resort built less than 50 years ago)


Porto Raphael (other sea resort in neo-mediterranean style, so not traditional):


ancient towns in Sardinia

My village of origin down in Apulia is almost entirely white, of a calcareous white however, Sardinia is very pretty anyway, my uncle (Sardinian) had invited me some time ago

[Jingle Bell]

Sardinia for sure, Genetically its the closest thing to Farmers, its almost just Med in phenotype, the culture its full mediterranean the food also, and geographically speaking its almost in the Center of Mediterran (just a bit more west)