Obama wants to make war in Syria

**Siberyak** · 08-21-2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bobcat Fraser

My last post is the following. I support our military to the utmost, and I believe in a very strong defense. As part of my regard and respect for our troops, it pains me to see them used for reasons that would be foreign to the Founding Fathers. Let's help our troops by bringing them home, because these endless wars are taking away too many young lives full of promise.

That's right because there are to many young adults who are coming back in body bags. They are being duped by our government into fighting the "bad guys"

**Grizzly** · 08-21-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Siberyak

That's right because there are to many young adults who are coming back in body bags. They are being duped by our government into fighting the "bad guys"

What's worst is how patriotism and the military go hand to hand in this country. If you don't support the war efforts in the middle east you are seen as unpatriotic and get labeled anti-american, communist, etc. The media uses it as propaganda to gain support for the wars.. Not to mention Military ads are everywhere in this country and there's always some sort of tribute to the military and the freedoms they protect.

It's ironic as they are doing the opposite of protecting our freedoms and safety and what other BS they feed us.

**~~Anarch~~** · 08-22-2012, 01:46 PM

The US should be backing Assad, like they should've backed Saddam. Taking down Assad will open a massive vacuum that'll be filled (as it already is being) by Al-Qaeda, who will in turn destabilise the middle east and seek to strike at the foundations of the world economy by bringing down the Saudi monarchy. Is anyone actually stopping to think of the what 'democracy' means for these people?

**The Lawspeaker** · 08-22-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anarch

The US should be backing Assad, like they should've backed Saddam. Taking down Assad will open a massive vacuum that'll be filled (as it already is being) by Al-Qaeda, who will in turn destabilise the middle east and seek to strike at the foundations of the world economy by bringing down the Saudi monarchy. Is anyone actually stopping to think of the what 'democracy' means for these people?

Al Qaeda doesn't exist as it is a pure CIA phantom. Islamic fundamentalism however does exist.

**Farah** · 08-22-2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anarch

The US should be backing Assad, like they should've backed Saddam. Taking down Assad will open a massive vacuum that'll be filled (as it already is being) by Al-Qaeda, who will in turn destabilise the middle east and seek to strike at the foundations of the world economy by bringing down the Saudi monarchy. Is anyone actually stopping to think of the what 'democracy' means for these people?

So it just has to be choosing between bad and worse, it's that black and white? This is fear-mongering rhetoric that is particularly popular among the pro-Assad Syrians - Do you really think all those people have been dying for months now, just so that 6th century barbarians will rule them. Come on, this portrayal of our people to be stupid is insulting. Yes radical Islamists exist, even among the ranks of the opposition fighters, but it's just a typical propaganda tool used by dictatorships - to perpetuate an atmosphere of fear, that without them the nation will fall - in order to stay in power. Democracy won't come overnight or not even in a decade maybe, but it will naturally take lots of time because our region has never had a stable tradition of democracy - It's an experiment, there will be ups and downs, but isn't that expected.

**el22** · 08-22-2012, 02:20 PM

I think it's common knowledge in America that, for a president to be remembered at all, he must either start a new war, or successfully conclude the current one(s).
Elections are coming... and it's more easy to start a new one anyway.

**Grizzly** · 08-22-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tuan Belanda

Al Qaeda doesn't exist as it is a pure CIA phantom. Islamic fundamentalism however does exist.

Maybe Islamic fundamentalism does exist now but it's pretty much directly created by the US/West actions abroad. When you topple and destroy countries, raid their resources, kill their civilians, etc, what do you expect will happen? That being said it's still not a major threat for us and it's blown out of control by the media to be used as a propaganda weapon for the rich moguls who own this country. Here's terrorism put into perspective, although I don't know how legit these stats are

Terrorism is the "greatest threat of the 21st century". But only according to the US, the UK, and Israel.

In the corporate mass media news, we hear the word "terrorism" many times almost every day, but what about the real problems in the world today?

Next time you leave your house, beware, because crossing the road is many hundreds of thousands of times more of a threat to your life than terrorism.

THE TRUTH ABOUT TERRORISM

0: People killed in the USA by terrorism/WMD in 2006.
(Thousands killed by the US and its allies in foreign countries.)

0: People killed in the UK by terrorism/WMD in 2006.

0: People killed in the USA by terrorism/WMD in 2005.

52: killed in the UK by terrorism/WMD in 2005 (all on "7/7").

0: People in the USA killed by terrorism/WMD in 2004.

0: People in the UK killed by terrorism/WMD in 2004.

0: People in the USA killed by terrorism/WMD in 2003.

0: People in the UK killed by terrorism/WMD in 2003.

0: People in the USA killed by terrorism/WMD in 2002.

0: People in the UK killed by terrorism/WMD in 2002.

2,752: in USA killed by terrorism in 2001 (all on "9/11").

0: People in the UK killed by terrorism/WMD in 2001.

0: People in the USA killed by terrorism/WMD in 2000.

0: People in the UK killed by terrorism/WMD in 2000.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

1.2 MILLION: People in killed in road accidents EVERY YEAR.

430,000: Americans killed by cigarettes EVERY YEAR. (The equivalent of 9/11 repeated every two days forever.) Bush's response to a real threat? His election promise to stop the Justice Department's law suit against the tobacco industry.

400,000: Americans die each year from obesity (while much greater numbers around the world starve to death).

11,000: the people killed in America every year by guns, a human tragedy equivalent to a new 9/11 every 3 months.

8,437: Civilians killed by US/UK attacks in Iraq in 2003.

3,800: Civilians killed by US/UK attacks in Afghanistan by 2002.

135,000: Deaths from cancer in UK alone EVERY YEAR

3 MILLION: Killed by HIV/AIDS in 2003.

780,000,000: People starving to death RIGHT NOW.

1.2 BILLION: People "living" on less than $1 a day.

513,000,000: Number of people without access to safe drinking water.

2,500: Palestinian civillians killed "by accident" in Palestine by the Israeli army - and that's just since September 2000.

14,000: Palestinian people whose homes have been demolished by Israeli bulldozers - and that's just since October 2000. Families who do not escape in time are crushed to death - often at night in their beds

It's awful that the average American idiot has the IQ of a sheep and actually thinks terrorists hate us because we like McDonalds, American Football, NASCAR and any other American cultural icons.

**StonyArabia** · 08-22-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Who said a post-war Syria would be Sunni? As I said, America is only doing this for Israel's interest, no other reason. And it could get really messy there ... do you even think about the cost in human life, or are geopolitical games more important?

No one knows what will happen post-war/Assad Syria but, the government that will be replaced will not be an Alwaite regime, and certainly it would not be Iranian friendly. Not only for the interset of Israel, but also for Jordan and Saudi Arabia. With Jordan and Saudi Arabia doing everything in toppling the Assad regime. The Americans clearly view the geopolitical situation and is important to protect their interset, for them the game is rather more important human lives. When Assad falls, the government that will take place would be the Free Syrian Army. The reason the U.S is doing this, by taking Assad out it would be killing two birds in one stone, Hezbollah would be extremely crippled and the influence Iran would end. This what Israel wants and this what Jordan and Saudi Arabia as well the Gulf states want. America made Iran a regional power and it's time to finish it in totality. Assad has murdered many people and is like madman that's not letting go, but he has fallen it's only a matter of time.

**Willem** · 08-22-2012, 06:48 PM

Another MENA county possibly invaded by the US, what a surprise ...not.

**StonyArabia** · 08-22-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Willem

Another MENA county possibly invaded by the US, what a surprise ...not.

It's tied to the mess they did in Iraq. The Americans think the Middle East as chessboard, however this time they might actually doing something right in confining Iranian influence and helping in making Hezbollah disappear since it relies heavily on Iranian and Syrian support.