What is your mtDNA Haplogroup

[kosmonomad]

MtDNA H28 which is a newly proposed subclade. Some matches in Sweden and some more with swedish family names in Finland and Estonia. Also matches in Ireland and a couple more in the US. So it's two migration lines. This was surprising to find.

[Polako]

I'm H7.

[Electronic God-Man]

N1b. Just got the results.

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[Electronic God-Man]

Can I ask someone who knows better what the deal is with N1b?

I try to find information about it and I just get a hundred Jewish DNA blogs. So my understanding is that it is typically Jewish, however I also see that a lot of Ukrainians, Poles, and Lithuanians have this mtDNA. This maternal line of mine is from Lithuania.

Is N1b common in Eastern Europe or has it most likely been brought there by Jewish people?

[Psychonaut]

Can I ask someone who knows better what the deal is with N1b?

I try to find information about it and I just get a hundred Jewish DNA blogs. So my understanding is that it is typically Jewish, however I also see that a lot of Ukrainians, Poles, and Lithuanians have this mtDNA.

Is N1b common in Eastern Europe or has it most likely been brought there by Jewish people?

You'll get loads of Jewish results for R1a1 too, which shocked me at first. I think, like in other things, they're just more vocal. From what I understand, Jews are only in possession of these haplogroups due to intermixture with Eastern Europeans. After all, N1b has its origins in Siberia, right?

[Pallantides]

After all, N1b has its origins in Siberia, right?

I think N1 originated in the Middle East or Central Asia,
N1b has not been detected among Siberians, but N1a is found Southern Siberia and N1e among Buryats in south east Siberia.

[Psychonaut]

I think N1 originated in the Middle East or Central Asia,
N1b has not been detected among Siberians, but N1a is found Southern Siberia and N1e among Buryats in south east Siberia.

Ah, I must've mixed up the two.

[Electronic God-Man]

You'll get loads of Jewish results for R1a1 too, which shocked me at first. I think, like in other things, they're just more vocal. From what I understand, Jews are only in possession of these haplogroups due to intermixture with Eastern Europeans. After all, N1b has its origins in Siberia, right?

From what I've seen, N1b originated in the Near East or Caucasus. It's most prevalent in the "Middle East, Egypt, the Caucasus, and Europe". And it has been found in Siberia.

I'm just not sure if the Siberia/Eastern Europe N1b's are mostly due to a much earlier migration via the Caucasus or Near East.

N1b is considered one of the "founder" haplogroups for Ashkenazi females. It shows up in 10% of them.



PS. I don't have access to it, but this article talks about N1b in Siberian and Uralic populations.

[Electronic God-Man]

I put my mtDNA sequence into the search engine at mitosearch.org and got some matches.


The closest were an Ivanauskas and a Krasauskis both from Kaunas, Lithuania. 0 difference in our sequences.

There were some with a +1 difference: Kupriute (Buckunai, Alytus, Lithuania), Stonkus (Aleksandravas, Lithuania), Gabinska (Tallinn, Estonia), Cimohowski (Poland), and Lysenko (Malin, Ukraine).

So there must be plenty of Lithuanians (& Co.) with that certain sequence of N1b.

On the other hand, I looked up all N1b results for Lithuania and a slight majority of them were women with obvious German Jewish maiden names. F.e. Goldstein, Blum, Tenengold, Gold, Feldstein.

[Goidelic]

I put my mtDNA sequence into the search engine at mitosearch.org and got some matches.


The closest were an Ivanauskas and a Krasauskis both from Kaunas, Lithuania. 0 difference in our sequences.

There were some with a +1 difference: Kupriute (Buckunai, Alytus, Lithuania), Stonkus (Aleksandravas, Lithuania), Gabinska (Tallinn, Estonia), Cimohowski (Poland), and Lysenko (Malin, Ukraine).

So there must be plenty of Lithuanians (& Co.) with that certain sequence of N1b.

On the other hand, I looked up all N1b results for Lithuania and a slight majority of them were women with obvious German Jewish maiden names. F.e. Goldstein, Blum, Tenengold, Gold, Feldstein.

Hmmm... I really doubt your Lithuanian ancestor had some Jewish ancestry way back when. This is most likely due to Jews intermarrying ethnic Europeans and raising their offspring under the "Jewish ethnoreligious identity" not becoming Christian and converting while being ethnic Lithuanians, that is virtually unheard of.

Jews are a part of every haplogroup known to mankind, just some more than others and the stereotypical Y-Haplogroup J1, but that is also common amongst Arabic peoples as well, but still an ultimate ancient Middle Eastern "Semitic" ancestor is the link, but still autosomal DNA dictates phenotype, and many Middle Eastern/Ashkenazi Jews are racially different than Arabs despite possessing the same haplogroups, different variants, and despite being "Semitic Middle Eastern" people.

I'm sure your N1b is ultimately of a different subclade, probably of an ethnic Lithuanian variant. One could speculate that you had an ancestor way back when who was kicked out during the Sephardim and fled to Lithuania to produce a family marrying only ethnic Lithuanians for generations but the Jewish haplogroup stayed, but I think that's highly unlikely for such a story.

Like Psychonaut said there will be plenty of Jews with R1a1. Jews come in all shapes and sizes, and like I said, Jews possess every subclade of every haplogroup known to mankind due to endogamous relations/interbreeding.