THE DACIAN MYTH

[Cavaros]

There used to be (and still are to a certain extent) Swedish bagpipes. Does that mean we are Celts?

Bagpipes are a musical instrument, not a genetic trait. I doubt that even the most imaginative scientist could find the Bagpipe Gene.

[Cavaros]

Oh my God! I just remembered. Didn't ABBA use bagpipes in that song 'Super Trooper' ? That must mean that ABBA were ancient Celts!

[Onur]

There used to be (and still are to a certain extent) Swedish bagpipes. Does that mean we are Celts?

Northern Anatolian Turks and Greeks also uses bagpipe. We call it as "tulum" and it`s traditionally made by using sheep paunch for centuries. Is that means we are Celts too?

[Nurzat]

they should make genetic tests on dacian remains... until that i will keep my opinion that romanians are:

in bucovina > romanianized ukrainians, austrians, hungarians, poles, russians, slovaks
in northern moldavia > romanianized ukrainians and poles
in eastcentral moldavia > vlachized slavs
in westcentral moldavia > romanianized szeklers and csangos and hungarians
in southern moldavia > vlachized cumans and slavs + vlachs
in rep. of moldova > romanianized slavs, cumans, pechenegs
in oltenia > vlachs
in muntenia > vlachized cumans and pechenegs + vlachs
in dobrudja > romanianized tatars, ukrainians, russians, greeks, turks
in banat > romanianized serbs, czechs, croats, germans + vlachs
in crisana > romanianized hungarians
in maramures > vlachized celts and dacians + romanianized ukrainians and hungarians
in transylvania > vlachs + romanianized hungarians and germans
in szekler land > magyarized steppe tribe

true vlachs are in the balkans, that is south of the danube and it's them who came to the north and little by little expanded and vlachized and then romanianized all the territory. by blood, probably about 1/4 to 1/3 romanians are slavs, even more in moldavia and the rep. of moldova, i think

[Nurzat]

According to the 19th-century scholar Eduard Robert Rösler, a Romance population came from the south of the Danube in the Middle Ages and settled down in present-day Romania.

Arguments for

Shared Romanian and Albanian vocabulary. However, these words may be of Thracian or even Illyrian origin, part of the substratum.

There are Vlachs living south of the Danube and speaking dialects of the Romanian language: Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians and Istro-Romanians (in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, the Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Croatia), as well as Romanians speaking sub-dialects of the Romanian language in these countries. There are mentionings of their presence in those areas since the early Middle Ages, especially in the archives of the Ottoman Empire.

Romanian toponyms in Albania and Bulgaria.

Vlach shepherds migrated northwards with their herds in search of better pastures. For example, they moved along the Carpathian Mountains to present day Poland and to the Czech Republic.

Eutropius mentions Aurelian settled Moesia to the south of the Danube with Roman citizens brought from Dacia Traiana in 270-275.

There are far fewer Slavic words in Aromanian than Romanian. According to linguists, proto-Romanian split after the Slavonic settlement in the Balkan peninsula. This supports the theory that the major Slavonic influence on Romanian took place after the migration of Vlachs and their settlement in Slav-populated territories north of the Danube.

source: Wikipedia

[Onur]

they should make genetic tests on dacian remains... until that i will keep my opinion that romanians are:

in bucovina > romanianized ukrainians, austrians, hungarians, poles, russians, slovaks
in northern moldavia > romanianized ukrainians and poles
in eastcentral moldavia > vlachized slavs
in westcentral moldavia > romanianized szeklers and csangos and hungarians
in southern moldavia > vlachized cumans and slavs + vlachs
in rep. of moldova > romanianized slavs, cumans, pechenegs
in oltenia > vlachs
in muntenia > vlachized cumans and pechenegs + vlachs
in dobrudja > romanianized tatars, ukrainians, russians, greeks, turks
in banat > romanianized serbs, czechs, croats, germans + vlachs
in crisana > romanianized hungarians
in maramures > vlachized celts and dacians + romanianized ukrainians and hungarians
in transylvania > vlachs + romanianized hungarians and germans
in szekler land > magyarized steppe tribe

true vlachs are in the balkans, that is south of the danube and it's them who came to the north and little by little expanded and vlachized and then romanianized all the territory. by blood, probably about 1/4 to 1/3 romanians are slavs, even more in moldavia and the rep. of moldova, i think

I have the same opinion with you about Romanians. I don't know detailed origins of people in various regions but i know that Romanians are simply various balkanite peoples like Slavs, Turks (Bulgar, Cuman, Pecheneg), Hungarians and some Germanic peoples assimilated by the Romans. I don't believe their story about leftover Latin soldiers are supposedly being their ancestors.


Btw what you called as "true vlachs" has been assimilated among Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs and Turks especially after the last decades of Ottoman era. I believe most of them has been hellenized because their homelands was Agean Macedonia and central Greece during the Ottoman era. Few 1000s of them was muslim and they were living Thrace. They have been turkified in the previous century. There are also some assimilated vlachs in bulgaria too

[Albion]

So what happened to the 'Dacians' ?

They'll be represented in the modern population at least partially. Ethnic groups don't usually just disappear. The real question is whether Romanians are mainly Dacians, Romans, Romanised Illyrians (some people suggest they migrated from Yugoslavia) or Slavs.
It's just as likely they're a mixture of all of them since borders in
Continental Europe have always been rather porous. I don't think it really matters though. Romanians definitely exist today and there are records of them living in roughly the same territory that go back some centuries. Everyone seems to care about what groups lived where in the Iron Age but then no one gives a damn about earlier it seems.

[Anusiya]

Ok my Balkan brethren! The time is now! Let's start a ratrace and see who will "trademark" James Cameron first!

[Cavaros]

They'll be represented in the modern population at least partially. Ethnic groups don't usually just disappear. The real question is whether Romanians are mainly Dacians, Romans, Romanised Illyrians (some people suggest they migrated from Yugoslavia) or Slavs.
It's just as likely they're a mixture of all of them since borders in
Continental Europe have always been rather porous. I don't think it really matters though. Romanians definitely exist today and there are records of them living in roughly the same territory that go back some centuries. Everyone seems to care about what groups lived where in the Iron Age but then no one gives a damn about earlier it seems.

Recent research in Romania (by Romanian academics) on the make-up of the population there in the Roman period, finds that the Roman peregrine population of Dacia was 29% Roman (Italic), 25% Celtic, 20% Thracian, 11% Semitic and 7% Greek. There is no evidence of a seperate 'Dacian' ethnic group:


http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/201...n-the-balkans/

[Mary]

Recent research in Romania (by Romanian academics) on the make-up of the population there in the Roman period, finds that the Roman peregrine population of Dacia was 29% Roman (Italic), 25% Celtic, 20% Thracian, 11% Semitic and 7% Greek. There is no evidence of a seperate 'Dacian' ethnic group:


http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/201...n-the-balkans/

1) They've probably counted the population in Roman towns. Of course you're not going to find any "Dacians" there.

2) This is about names. Name and ethnicity is not necessarily the same.