China riots: 140 people killed as Muslim separatists go on the rampage in Xinjiang

[Loki]

100% Agreed. Inciting riots and civil unrest through covert means are exactly what the CIA/Mossad has specialties in, now that "Assassinations" are considered "against the rules". First it's Iran, now it's China, which is funny because they are considered part of the 'Axis' these days. North Korea won't be far behind.

Get everyone hyped up about Muslims and all that through the media with a zionist spin on it to keep the spotlight off the REAL culprits.

Welcome to the New World Order.

I'm sorry my friend VA but I don't buy it. According to you guys, "Zionists" must be the most powerful force that the face of this earth has ever seen. They have absolute control over everyone, and can even get the Muslims in Central Asia, or North Korea as you suggest, to obey their wishes to the letter - without ever being caught out! Wow!! That is amazing. Do you know what you're actually saying here? These "Zionists" seem more than a political force. They're superhumans; demigods; lizardoid aliens from outer space.

Man, if all these claims made about "Zionists" or "Jews" (for those who call a spade a spade) are actually true, then I'm afraid they must be vastly superior to us. What the heck, join the winners! Let's convert to Judaism and rule the planet with them!! up

[RoyBatty]

Next time you joke around, do use smilies so that everyone will catch it.

88!

[RoyBatty]

Loki, it really isn't rocket science. All they have to do is form a Uighur support group in DC and elsewhere, give them some tasty press coverage (Jew-owned media of course), "concerned" NGO's step in to agitate for their "human rights" (guess who funds most of those NGO's) etc.

There are already well known and established models for colour revolutions which people should really be familiar with by now. They've been applied in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia with success and elsewhere (Moldova, Central Asia) with less success.

Wherever there are some or other discontented groups, whether it be Albanians in Kosovo, Uighurs in China or the "Iranian opposition", there always seems to be a rather curious amount of "Western interest" and involvement in those affairs.

The media, NGO's, US / EU Governments + NATO and other regime changers are all sailing in the same boat. These events aren't spontaneous. They're organised.

If it isn't what can loosely be described as the NWO / Zionists then who are they?

Man, if all these claims made about "Zionists" or "Jews" (for those who call a spade a spade) are actually true, then I'm afraid they must be vastly superior to us. What the heck, join the winners! Let's convert to Judaism and rule the planet with them!!

Not all Jews are Zionists, not all Zionists are Jews. The rest of the paragraph reads like Rainman's big "coming out of the closet" moment over at Skadi where he basically admitted defeat and decided to join the winning team or at least, was seriously considering doing it.

Some people like to support "a winner" and will happily switch sides whenever it is convenient. Others stick to their principles, win or lose.

[RoyBatty]

Some more on Soros's HRW and the Uighurs

On HRW’s web site, Director Roth criticized the U.S. for not opposing China more vigorously. Roth’s activities include the creation of the Tibetan Freedom Concert, a traveling propaganda project that toured the U.S. with major rock musicians, urging young people to support Tibet against China. 61 Tibet has been a pet project of the CIA for many years. 62

Roth has recently pressed for opposition to Chinese control over its oil-rich western province of Xinjiang. With the colonialist “divide and conquer” approach, Roth has tried to convince some of the Uighur religious minority in Xinjiang that the U.S/NATO intervention in Kosovo holds promise as a model for them. As late as August 2002, the U.S. government has given some support in this endeavor as well.

http://www.hellenesonline.com/go/200...opist-spook/3/


Naturally it's all a "Zionist Conspiracy Theory", I'm a "conspiracy nut", "Soros and Roth are obviously Muslims" etc etc etc

[Loki]

The rest of the paragraph reads like Rainman's big "coming out of the closet" moment over at Skadi where he basically admitted defeat and decided to join the winning team or at least, was seriously considering doing it.

Some people like to support "a winner" and will happily switch sides whenever it is convenient. Others stick to their principles, win or lose.

I was using irony. Since I don't believe in all these conspiracy theories I obviously wouldn't join them.

Ask yourself the question though: If Jews/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to use for them, really are so smart, tough, successful and effective, then perhaps they are genetically superior. As with all things on earth, the fittest and best survives. Why support an ailing, pathetic crowd who seem to be totally ineffectual against the total onslaught of the Zionist monster? Seriously.

As for me, as I've told you I don't buy it. I don't believe in any such overarching Zionist ZOG world conspiracy at all. And hence I don't believe Jews/ZOG/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to call them, are superior.

There is a cancer in the "European preservationist" circles that is both making us look stupid, and devouring us from the inside. That cancer is Zionophobia/Anti-Semitism. It hasn't worked for Europeans in the '30s and '40s, and it won't work today. The only thing that will work today is an inward focus, rejection of conspiracy fantasy distractions, and hard work getting the real job done by networking, having babies and supporting each other properly.

[Loki]

Some more on Soros's HRW and the Uighurs

http://www.hellenesonline.com/go/200...opist-spook/3/

Naturally it's all a "Zionist Conspiracy Theory", I'm a "conspiracy nut", "Soros and Roth are obviously Muslims" etc etc etc

This still is no proof that Soros was responsible - directly or indirectly - for these riots. Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart. That is increasingly happening, with or without any "Zionist" influence at all. Islamicism is a force in itself.

[RoyBatty]

Ask yourself the question though: If Jews/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to use for them, really are so smart, tough, successful and effective, then perhaps they are genetically superior. As with all things on earth, the fittest and best survives. Why support an ailing, pathetic crowd who seem to be totally ineffectual against the total onslaught of the Zionist monster? Seriously.

It's pointless looking at it from the angle that some or other "genetically superior culture" is taking another over. That's not quite how the game works.
There are groups of elites which includes Zionists. Obviously they are tough and smart, how else would they have climbed to the top of the power jungle in their respective regions? The Zionists often happen to be ringleaders (within these leadership groups) and high up. Not always of course but more often than not this is the case.

A number of the elites (from around the world) have pooled resources and have organised against the world's remaining Clans who are either their natural enemies or who are in their way or who control something they want.

We (meaning the general public) are their little pawns.

As for me, as I've told you I don't buy it. I don't believe in any such overarching Zionist ZOG world conspiracy at all. And hence I don't believe Jews/ZOG/Zionists/whatever euphemism you want to call them, are superior.

If there's one thing I don't buy or believe in it is "democracy", "freedom" and "an equal opportunity for all" in our societies. That's not how things work.

There is a cancer in the "European preservationist" circles that is both making us look stupid, and devouring us from the inside. That cancer is Zionophobia/Anti-Semitism. It hasn't worked for Europeans in the '30s and '40s, and it won't work today.

One may as well add modern (rather successfully manufactured) Islamophobia and racism (which has always been there) to that list then. Why stop at anti-Semitism?

The only thing that will work today is an inward focus, rejection of conspiracy fantasy distractions, and hard work getting the real job done by networking, having babies and supporting each other properly.

I agree with the part about "helping one's neighbours and community". Regarding "conspiracy theories":

- The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia wasn't a "spontaneous uprising of the peasant masses against the Czar". It was organised and funded by powers in countries who believed that they had something to gain from the venture. Is this a conspiracy theory?

- The recent Orange Revolution in Ukraine was labelled by the Jewish owned Western Media as a "spontaneous uprising of the Ukrainian people" (after all, 1/2 of them are ethnic Russians) against their obviously corrupt government.

Let's be realistic for a minute, the opposition was particularly well funded and organised from the West while the Russians did a rather poor job on doing the same for their side. It's well known that the US State Dept, Intelligence Agencies and Soros's NGO's played a major role in supporting the then Orange opposition. There are those who would have one believe that saying this "is a conspiracy theory". That would be a strange claim to make since there already exists such a wealth of similar evidence and activities in other Eastern European countries.

- The Rose Revolution in Georgia was billed by the Western media as a "spontaneous uprising of the Georgian people" against their obviously corrupt then government. Again, it's wellknown and understood that this was another Soros / US organised stage production.

- The recent war in the Caucasus, where Saakashvili was encouraged to start a war against South Ossetia by his Western "friends" (and funded by them and armed with weaponry from their proxies) didn't "just happen because he's a little exiteable". The official version of events claims that either:

- Version 1: Russia started it (not even worth commenting on)
- Version 2: Saakashvili was "acting on his own and temporarily lost his mind"

Neither of those Western media versions are the truth. Of course, certain factions would have one believe that it's a "conspiracy theory" to claim that Saakashvili was coerced into his little misadventure but why is it a "conspiracy" when it is obvious that certain powers (countries and individuals and corporations) had obvious geopolitical and financial gains hinging on this project. Also, the fact that some of the NWO's leaders more or less spell out in their writings that control over Eurasia is their primary goal?


I could go on and on. The list of these types of events are endless. One could choose to believe that

- "uhm, according to The Sun that's what happened so it must be true" or that

- "errr, it was obviously a spontaneous or unrelated event" or one could look at the bigger picture and connect the dots. The trail is pretty obvious and it usually leads back to the same groups, countries and individuals who are mixed up in these intrigues. I don't recall seeing too many "Muslim" names amongst the organisers although they are frequently employed to do the monkeywork for Massa.

Based on the regularity with which "God's Chosen People" are directly connected to these types of events it's a bit of a stretch to call it a "conspiracy theory", particularly when there is plenty of evidence linking them, an obvious motive and gains to be made.

[RoyBatty]

This still is no proof that Soros was responsible - directly or indirectly - for these riots. Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart. That is increasingly happening, with or without any "Zionist" influence at all. Islamicism is a force in itself.

1 - I didn't claim it proved anything, it is unlikely that much of what is discussed here and elsewhere can be "proven". We simply don't have the resources.

2 - Soros has an established track record in organising "Colour Revolutions" in a number of countries. His organisation is a known Uighur sympathiser. There is every reason to believe that there are factions in the US (the Govt, the think tanks, the CFR etc etc) who would be very interested in destabilising this part of China as they have recently illustrated with their support for chaos and rioting in Tibet.

The article does show that one can reasonably connect Soros's NGO's with Uighur seperatist activities. Does it prove they are the primary mover? No it doesn't but judging by Soros's existing known track records in Eastern Europe it would be entirely plausible that he is involved in destabilising the region.

Ask yourself the question who are the exporters of the most radical forms of "Islam"? You do realise that Saudi Arabia is probably at the top of the list? You do realise that they just "happen" to be best friends with the US's and EU's political dynasties and elites? Does it not strike you as a little bit curious why the West's great "defenders against radical Islam" are so cozy with the very people they claim to be waging a "Crusade" against? Why the West uses them to arm and radicalise Islamic nutcases against Christians in other parts of Europe?

I know that those questions bother me. That's why I don't waste my time on "radial Islam Conspiracy Theories" about bearded freaks who want to make me face Mecca and take my beer away. The Islamos are the stooges, the patsies. They're not the organisers or bosses and much of this so-called "Islamic terror" is manufactured, just like the war on Iraq.

[Sol Invictus]

See also this thread.

We can't afford to be complacent or plead ignorance on this anymore. It's time to start look for the truth rather than believing fairytales and boogieman stories. We're too old for that shit.

[Osweo]

Central Asians of Muslim heritage are returning to their religious roots of intolerance, violence and stupidity, ever since the Soviet Union fell apart.

These features are not a historical part of Central Asian culture. I know several Kazakhs and Tajiks. It's a wholly new phenomenon for them, and not one that really 'suits' their general character. This is not some kind of atavism, as it might be more easy to say for Arabs or Pakistanis. It's something they're driven to by desperation, with the egging on of other players who don't give a rat's arse about them. Central Asia had the makings of one of the quietest places on earth, and then Beijing muscled in when Russia was distracted.

Islamicism is a force in itself.

From outside Eastern Turkestan.