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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?
    Speech by Angel Dzhambazki, Vice-Chairman of VMRO-BND [from Bulgaria] and member of European Parliament;

    “Денес во Р.Македонија има луѓе кои себе си се нарекуваат Македонци. И ние го почитуваме тоа. Ние ќе го браниме нивното право да се нарекуваат онака како што сакаат. Ние со нив спор немаме. Нашите спорови се други. Нашите спорови се на северот од Македонија, на запад од Македонија нашите спорови се на југот од Македонија. Ние во Македонија и со Македонија спор немаме. Да не говориме дека веројатно три четвртини од луѓето кои се тука се со пасоши од Р.Бугарија и имаат свои корени од денешната Р.Македонија. Да не говориме дека најголемиот македонски град во никој случај не е Скопје најголем македонски град е Софија”


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    "Today, in Macedonia there are people who call themselves Macedonians. And we respect that. We will defend their right to call themselves the way they want. We have no argument with them. Our disputes are with others. Our disputes are in the north of Macedonia, west of Macedonia our disputes are in the south of Macedonia. Within Macedonia and with Macedonia we have no dispute. Not to mention that probably three-quarters of the people who are here with passports from Bulgaria and have their roots in today's Macedonia. Not to mention that the largest Macedonian city is by no means the Macedonian capital Skopje, but is Sofia "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    VMRO in 1934 was pure Bulgarian organization, nothing national Macedonian there was no among them. You are ethnic Macedonian according to you, why you glorify organization of nation who deny your identity?
    Only stupid nationalists deny the modern Macedonian identity.

    We do not have problems with people who identify as Macedonians , but recognize the common history until 1945. Our problem is with Macedonians who trust only Serbian/Macedonian sources when it comes to the history of their ancestors. Recognition of the common history until 1945 - this is what Bulgaria currently tries to archieve on a state level.

    Actually, mostly Bulgarian communists are the buildres of the country Macedonia that we know today. But only those who followed the Yugoslavian politics back then remained on the political scene of the new state. There are many stories of people who had the chance to be remembered as builders of the new state, but because they tried to perserve the connection with Bulgaria, they were killed (like Yordan Chkatrov), while some returned back to Bulgaria without doing anything.

    Some times ago I've read about two cousins who have been raised together in Kukush, then went to Bulgaria with their families. After WW2, the father of one of them was invited by the Yugoslav communist to take part of the creation of the Macedonian state, later his son became Yugoslavian politic, Macedonist, while his cousin - a famous historian in Communist Bulgaria, professor in Sofia university. And both were active during the same years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Only stupid nationalists deny the modern Macedonian identity.

    We do not have problems with people who identify as Macedonians , but recognize the common history until 1945. Our problem is with Macedonians who trust only Serbian/Macedonian sources when it comes to the history of their ancestors. Recognition of the common history until 1945 - this is what Bulgaria currently tries to archieve on a state level.

    Actually, mostly Bulgarian communists are the buildres of the country Macedonia that we know today. But only those who followed the Yugoslavian politics back then remained on the political scene of the new state. There are many stories of people who had the chance to be remembered as builders of the new state, but because they tried to perserve the connection with Bulgaria, they were killed (like Yordan Chkatrov), while some returned back to Bulgaria without doing anything.

    Some times ago I've read about two cousins who have been raised together in Kukush, then went to Bulgaria with their families. After WW2, the father of one of them was invited by the Yugoslav communist to take part of the creation of the Macedonian state, later his son became Yugoslavian politic, Macedonist, while his cousin - a famous historian in Communist Bulgaria, professor in Sofia university. And both were active during the same years.
    The story of Stoyan Christowe (US Senator, MANU member, author, journalist) is a good case in point about Macedonians and the Macedonian ethnicity;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoyan_Christowe

    In first half of his life, Stoyan Christowe identified himself as Bulgarian, but after World War II and the establishment of Macedonian state within the Yugoslav Federation, he redefined his understanding of who he was, and proclaimed himself an ethnic Macedonian.[16][17][18][19][20][21][22] This change was a result of the fact, that during the 20th century, the Slav Macedonian national feelings have shifted. At the beginning of the 20th century, Slavic patriots in Macedonia felt a strong attachment to their homeland, but most of them saw themselves as Bulgarians. By the middle of the 20th. century, however Macedonian Slavs began to see Macedonian and Bulgarian loyalties as mutually exclusive and Macedonian regionalism had become Macedonian nationalism.[23][24][25][26][27]

    In his early years in America, Stoyan saw no difference in using the terms "Macedonian" and "Bulgarian from Macedonia" interchangeably in reference to his native identity.

    Macedonians in Bulgaria in the 1920s were the backbone of the economic, professional, social, political and cultural life of the capital. The foremost person in every field of activity is likely to be a Macedonian, or at least part Macedonian.[28]

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    Момчета имате ли данни , списък на жертвите по време на въстанието в Тиквеш? От Ваташа са над 40.
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    Момчета имате ли данни , списък на жертвите по време на въстанието в Тиквеш? От Ваташа са над 40.
    Da i ushte povejke na Ohridsko-Debarskoto vostanie

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid%...Debar_uprising

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