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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post
    Thats only your problem. Even if Bulgars were Turkic, they developed in totally different way than modern Turks. So different that you cant claim them today. There are only one descendants of the Bulgars and they are called Bulgarians.
    Not really, Turkic Chuvashes are closest people to them, probably along with Misher/Kazan Tatars.

    This falsification of Bulgarian history has pre-Communist roots. People say that Catherine the Great hired some German historians to rewrite Slavic history. They created this Turkic theory with the goal to make people believe that Bulgarians are not Slavs and that Russians are responsible for the archievments of the Bulgarian empire.
    Actually it was Russians who promoted Bulgarian rebellion/aggression against Ottoman Empire by using pan-Slavism. As I said if you're talking about Communist period, pro-Turkic theory supporters were oppressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbėrori View Post
    Exactly. Only Onur can ''claim'' them though aswell, due to his real origin.
    Onur is as "Bulgarian" as you're Greek and Macedonian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yabgu View Post
    There is no ethnicity called "Anatolian", and no such thing as "Anatolian Greek genes" or "Armenoid genes".. It is a political rhetoric to cause identity erosion.. Eastern Huns are considered to be the ancestors of modern day Turks and they were a hybrid of Asiatic and Caucasian, but more dominantly Caucasian.. Hun was not an ethnicity itself, but a large tribal confederative structure.. That is why Turks already had a rich genetic pool before the full conquest of Anatolia region..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Tough, how about you? What he would do to you? I bet he would look at you like a cow looks to a passing train (Turkish idiom!) because he wouldn't understand shit from you.
    The Bulgaria since 681 was state union between Bulgars and Slavs.

    I'm sure that Bulgars assimilated voluntary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    If Khan Omurtag would be alive today, then i am sure he would rather be dead again to not witness what kind of people lives on his heritage today. This would be a shame for him.
    You couldn't think of something better than a childish insult? Poor Onur, I don't think Omurtag khan is proud of you either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcho View Post
    You couldn't think of something better than a childish insult? Poor Onur, I don't think Omurtag khan is proud of you either.
    I was just imitating what Archduke said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Onur is as "Bulgarian" as you're Greek and Macedonian.
    I'm neither, the Ancient Macedonians might have assimilated into our ethnos aswell, but I doubt it. Onur has Bulgarian parents, what is so hard to comprehend about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbėrori View Post
    I'm neither, the Ancient Macedonians might have assimilated into our ethnos aswell, but I doubt it.

    I mean today's Slavic Macedonians. Aren't you from there? So you're Macedonian(or if you'd like, FYROMian), not Albanian, with applying same logic

    Onur has Bulgarian parents, what is so hard to comprehend about that?
    As much as you have Slavic Macedonian parents or Greek grandparents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Not really, Turkic Chuvashes are closest people to them, probably along with Misher/Kazan Tatars.
    Only those who really see themselves as descendants of the Bulgars (they are not much).


    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Actually it was Russians who promoted Bulgarian rebellion/aggression against Ottoman Empire by using pan-Slavism. As I said if you're talking about Communist period, pro-Turkic theory supporters were oppressed.
    Not really.

    I already explained the reason why Russians promoted us the Turkic theory.

    Every person who was a student during Communism can say you the sentence about the small Mongoloid, Tataro-Tukic tribes who came on the Balkans and assimilated into the "Slavic sea".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    I mean today's Slavic Macedonians. Aren't you from there? So you're Macedonian(or if you'd like, FYROMian), not Albanian, with applying same logic

    As much as you have Slavic Macedonian parents or Greek grandparents.
    I'm full Albanian, while Onur is a Turkicized Bulgarian, happy now?
    He resides in Turkey, but is not ''Turkish''. As far as I know, I don't have any, neither Slavs or Greeks.

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    lol some people really believe that ancient Bulgars were iranic southasians from pakistan,afghanistan lol no my friend they were hardcore Türks from steppes

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    Quote Originally Posted by archangel View Post
    lol some people really believe that ancient Bulgars were iranic southasians from pakistan,afghanistan lol no my friend they were hardcore Türks from steppes
    i just love your comments :icon_cheesygrin:


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