Greece`s love affair with the Kurdish terrorist organization of PKK

[Onur]

It`s no secret that Greek state always supported and still supports PKK in every way possible.

PKK founder/leader Abdullah Ocalan was living in Syria in 1999. Turkish state told Syrian authorities that if they don't arrest him and hand over to us in less than a week, Turkish army will enter their soil to capture him. Syrian authorities got scared and told PKK leader to leave Syria and then his journey to Europe begun. He secretly gone to Armenia and then Russia at first. He stayed there for a while and then he popped out in Rome, Italy. Turkey pressured Italy to arrest him but Italian authorities refused to do that. After some time, PKK leader made a deal with his good old friends, Greeks to offer him protection and hide him from Turkish authorities.

Theodoros Pangalos, foreign minister of Greece in 1999 took over this job with Greek intelligence and he invited PKK leader to stay in Greek islands in undercover. They also gave him Greek passport at that time. When Turkish secret service agents discovered that Greeks hiding him in Aegean islands, Greek government sent him to PKK terrorist training camps in southern Cyprus and also gave him Greek Cypriot passport in there. Here is Abdullah Ocalan`s Greek Cypriot password which has been found in Ocalan`s pocket when he was captured. Take a notice the fake name of kurdish Abdullah Ocalan, Mavros Lazaros ;



After strong pressure from Turkey, this time Greek government secretly sent him to the Greek embassy at Kenya, Nairobi. After few days, Israeli Mossad agents spotted him in the Greek embassy of Kenya and then informed Turkish intelligent service about this. Turkish agents made a deal with Kenyan authorities and finally captured him.

Capture of Öcalan and the resignation of Greek ministers
In 1999, Abdullah Öcalan, the leader of the PKK, was captured by the Turkish Intelligence Service agents in Nairobi, Kenya, while leaving the Greek Embassy. Öcalan was carrying both Greek and Cypriot passports.[7] Fearing a hostile Turkish reaction, three Greek ministers resigned (Foreign Minister Theodoros Pangalos, in charge of the attempt to hide Öcalan at the Greek Ambassador's residence in Kenya and to find him asylum; Interior Minister Alekos Papadopoulos, in charge of the Greek Intelligence Service involved in the operation; and Public Order Minister Philippos Petsalnikos, in charge of the Greek security forces which failed to stop the smuggling of Öcalan into Greece in January 1999).[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek–Turkish_relations

Greek ministers resign over Ocalan

Three Greek cabinet ministers have resigned over their handling of the Ocalan affair as protests continue by Kurdish demonstrators. The Foreign Minister Theodoros Pangalos and the ministers of public order and the interior were quitting amid accusations that they had "mishandled" the case.



Mr Ocalan had been in the care of the Greek authorities in Kenya at the time of his capture on Monday in as yet unexplained circumstances.

Reacting to the resignations in Greece, Turkey`s PM; Mr Ecevit said Greece was paying the price for helping the PKK and that should be a lesson to any country which supports terrorism.

February 18, 1999

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/281816.stm

Greece dogged by Ocalan affair

The Greek Government said on Friday it would guarantee political asylum and protection for two female bodyguards of the Kurdish rebel leader, Abdullah Ocalan.

The two women and another female bodyguard with a Belgian passport were removed from the Greek diplomatic compound in Nairobi, Kenya, in an operation personally led by the secretary-general of the Greek Foreign Service.


Fresh embarrassment
However, their arrival in Athens promised fresh embarrassment for the government. Along with a Greek intelligence officer, Savvas Kalenderidis, who was sent to Nairobi to protect Mr Ocalan, they are claiming that the PKK leader was misled by the Greek Government and forced against his will to leave the safety of the embassy compound.

This contradicts the official version of events, which is that Mr Ocalan fell into Turkish hands after deciding against Greek Government advice to embark on negotiations with the Kenyans and leave the compound for the airport.

The extent of official help for the PKK leader and his organisation is at the heart of a growing row between Athens and Ankara. Turkey says the Greek Government organised training camps for PKK rebels and that it supplied ground to air missiles for use against the Turkish security forces.


Turkey uses advantage
Turkey says the allegations are based on statements made by Mr Ocalan during his interrogation by the state prosecutor. The Turkish Government is making use of the claims in an attempt to have Greece labelled as a state sponsoring terrorism - pressing home the advantage it secured by snatching the PKK leader from under the noses of the Greek security services.

It has also been claimed that the Greek Orthodox Church funded Kurdish rebels - a claim denied to the BBC by the head of the Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, who said that food had been supplied to Kurdish refugees, and nothing more.

The allegations of training camps for the PKK in Greece and arms supply by the Greek Government are not new. They have been regularly made in the past by Ankara and always denied by Athens.

February 27, 1999

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/287232.stm

As stated above, Greek church of Athens also supports PKK terrorists inside the training camps in Greece. During his trial, PKK leader Ocalan said that Greek church in Athens was raising funds for PKK and gave them around 3 million dollars in 1999.

`Greece fed weapons to Kurd rebels'
IT WAS exactly the ammunition Turkey's government wanted in its war of words with Greece over the capture of the Kurdish rebel Abdullah Ocalan.

A Turkish newspaper, Hurriyet, said he had told interrogators Greece supplied his Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) with arms. The claim may embarrass the European Union, which yesterday called on Turkey to give Mr Ocalan a fair trial and to let international observers attend, as Greece is a member of the bloc.

"Greece has supported the PKK for years," the paper quoted Mr Ocalan as saying. "Greece even helped us with weapons and rockets." According to the article he said Greece supplied him with the false Cypriot passport with which he travelled to Kenya and supplied the PKK with training facilities.

The rebel leader, who was snatched from Kenya by Turkish special forces last week, is being interrogated before his trial. Turkey blames him for 37,000 deaths in the PKK's 14-year campaign to win Kurdish autonomy in south-east Turkey.

"Greece should be added to the list of countries that support terrorism and harbour terrorists," the Turkish President, Suleyman Demirel, said, according to Turkey's semi-official Anatolia News Agency. "A country like that can only be described as an outlaw state."
23 February 1999

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/gr...s-1072670.html

Then in a weird turn of events, PKK leader Ocalan sued Greece at EU court of human rights for mistreatment towards him at 2008. He said that he was a Greek citizen in 1999 and Greek government failed to protect her citizen`s right by letting Turkish secret service agents capture him in Greek embassy at Kenya;

PKK leader Ocalan sues Greece

The jailed leader of the terror organization PKK is suing Greece for failing to prevent his capture by Turkish officials in 1999, officials said.

Abdullah Ocalan is seeking $25,500 from the Greek government, alleging that Athens betrayed him after offering assurances of his safety, Hurriyet reported Friday.

Ocalan, who led the Kurdistan Workers' Party, commonly known as PKK, is serving a life sentence in a Turkish prison, the newspaper reported.

Ocalan hid in Athens from Turkish officials for two days in January 1999 before Greek intelligence helped him flee to Kenya. He was arrested in Kenya by Turkish agents.

The PKK is listed as a terrorist group by, among others, Turkey, the European Union and the United States.

12/06/2008

http://www.topnews.in/pkk-leader-oca...-greece-296020

As you can see, Greek church and politicians have such an hatred toward us, so they support anything against us, including terrorism. Their hatred is so big that probably it turns their eyes blind, so Mr. Pangalos and other Greek authorities supported PKK leader even without thinking possible consequences for their own political carrier and more importantly, the fate of their own country.

I remember that 1000s of people in Turkey was doing protests all over Turkey when we discovered that Abdullah Ocalan is hiding with the support of Greece and Cyprus. People clearly demanded from Turkish government to bomb PKK camps both in Greece and southern Cyprus and capture Ocalan who were hiding in Cyprus at that time.

What would happen if we had politicians in Turkey as irresponsible as Greek ones like Mr. Pangalos? Who could stop us destroying their little fake nation called Greece?

[Onur]

The section of Greece in "Global Terrorism Report", annually issued by the U.S. Secretary of State Department is interesting to read;

CAN GREECE SUCCEED IN ITS FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM?

International community closely monitoring the operation conducted by the Greek Police against the November 17 terror organization, expects the Greek government not to limit the operations with only November 17 terror organization and to include other terror organizations active in the country

Most important discussion about the November 17 terror organization during its dissolution process was the performance of Greece in the fight against terrorism. None of the members of the November 17 terror organizations were captured in the last nine years, but recently, Greece has intensified operations against it. It is wondered what will be the sanctions Greece would imposed against the members of the terror organizations such as the PKK and DHKP\C, whose ties with the November 17 terror organizations were revealed. How will Greece act against those who have important positions in the state as well as cooperating with other terror organizations? Will Greece take those to court?

Terrorist activities against foreign and local targets began between 1967 and 1974 during the military coup era in Greece and reached a peak in 1974 after the regime change. With the November 17 terror organization "quake" in July 2002, terrorism in Greece reached a historical u-turn.

The Greek administration that allowed Greece to become a country where international terror organizations freely function especially after the 1980, supported terrorism like in the PKK example with the intention of using it as tool of its foreign policy. On the other hand, it displayed an ineffective and insufficient fight against terrorism as a part of its approach to the November 17 terror organization.

The Greek government that allowed terrorist activities against American, Turkish and Western targets, failed to capture any members of the bloody November 17 terror organization until July 2002. It also didn't take any precaution against the members of the terror organizations such as the PKK, DHKP\C and the ASALA, having obvious ties with the November 17 terror organization.

The Greek administration that failed to show expected effort to fight against terrorism was strongly criticized by Turkey and Western Countries as well as the United States as it followed a supportive and provocative policy on terror organizations and terrorist activities.

According to the "Global Terrorism Report" that is annually issued by the U.S. Secretary of State Department, accused Greece of; not implementing the Anti-terror Law; failing to capture terrorists; being incapable of trying them; allowing the PKK and DHKP\C terror organizations to stage activities against Turkey in Greece; preventing the punishment of criminals as it has done in 1998 during the trial of Enrico Bianco, a member of the Italian Red Troops terror organization and being unsuccessful in its fight against the November 17 terror organization. The Report also underlined that Greece may be included to the list of countries supporting terrorism.

Another report prepared by the U.S. National Commission on Terrorism states that "Greece in its fight against terrorism acts disturbingly passive. Since 1979, DHKP/C terror organization killed four foreigners. Despite the warning issued by the U.S., it didn't close down the DHKP/C bureau in Greece."

Greece was always attractive to terror organizations such as the November 17, PKK and the DHKP/C as it has borders to Turkey and it is located on the passage way to the European countries and also because it follows policies that feed terror elements.

"Lavrion Refugee Camp" that was opened in 1949 near Athens under the title of "Treatment Center for Foreign Migrants" became a center suitable for cooperation between terror groups and as German Die Welt newspaper pointed out on December 2, 1994, it serves as a shelter and doctrine center for PKK and DHKP/C terrorists that illegally passed to Greece in 1980s.

According to the Time Magazine's research dated March 30 of 1996, Ayfer Kaya alas Rozarin in charge of PKK terror organization's camps in Greece (also she was the organization member who accompany PKK head Abdullah Ocalan during his adventure that began in Athens and ended in Kenya) said the following: "I was greeting those who arrived in the Lavrion Camp which is 45 kilometers away to Athens, for bomb and shooting training. Every week 5-10 young Kurds were coming to the camp in order to learn how to fight with the goal of forming a Kurdish state on the Turkish, Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi soil." Meanwhile, another PKK official Ferzeyn Iskender in the Lavrion was quoted as saying that, "this camp is the biggest example of Greece's help to us." These statements openly reveal the support of Greece to terror organizations.

On October 12-14, a delegation made up of New Democracy member M. Galanianos and PASOK's E.Verivakis, D.Vunatsos and E.Papazoi visited the PKK camps in Bekaa and give support to terrorists.

According to the Hurriyet newspaper's news report dated January 15, 2002, PKK terror organization is active in Greece and have a bureau in Athens as well as other offices such as the branch office of Kurdistan Committee Balkans Representative, Kurdish Red Crescent, Med TV, DEM news agency and Kurdish house. Hurriyet's news report claimed that the PKK carries out its activities in the Greek Cyprus via Cyprus- Kurdistan Solidarity Committee.

Kurdish Red Crescent, a side organization of the terror organization having an official identity in Greece, works for free treatment of injured PKK terrorists in Greek hospitals. Meanwhile, Med TV and DEM news agency carry out relations with the Greek media. Kurdish house that was opened with an official ceremony on January 29, 1995 by the participation of Greek officials, gives political training to the terrorists living in the Lavrion refugee camp and also distributes the propaganda magazine named Foni Tou Kurdistan (Voice of Kurdistan) published in Greek.

157 lawmakers of the 330-member Greek parliament issued a joint letter on April 10, 1997 inviting PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan to Greece. After this invitation, PKK has launched a cocktail party on June 4, 1997 at the Great Britain Hotel for those lawmakers. Some 80 Greek deputies from different political parties that participated the cocktail party showed their open support to terrorists.

Greek politicians support to the PKK terror organization continued with various different activities. A press release issued by 109 deputies including deputy parliament speakers Panagiotis Kritikos, Panagiotis Suguridis, Loukas Apostolidis; deputies from the PASOK, DIKKI and YDP parties as well as independent lawmakers on November 5, 1998 inviting Abdullah Ocalan to Greece as the legal representative of Kurdish people reveals the dimension of this support to the terror organization.

A clear evidence of Greece's support to the PKK terror organization was Abdullah Ocalan's move to enter Greece for three times; on September 9,1998, January 29,1999 and February 1, 1999 after he was forced to leave Syria. During his process that ended with his capture, Ocalan was hiding in residence of Greek Embassy to Nairobi between February 2 and 15, 1999. In an other works, Greece was captured while carrying out its relation with terrorism.

Greek Intelligence Service member Savvas Kalenderidis who accompany Ocalan during his stay in Athens and Kenya, in his testimony at the Prosecutors office in Athens said "I want to underline the fact that I carried out all my activities according to the direction of the Greek government," according to the Ta Nea newspaper's news report published on March 15, 1999.

Meanwhile Adesmeftos Tis kriyakis newspaper on November 26, 2000, quoted retired Admiral Andonis Naksakis who played a key role while bringing Abdullah Ocalan to Greece as saying that, "Prime Minister Simitis and Teodoros Pangalos who at the time was the Foreign Minister were knowing that Ocalan would arrive in Athens. I did everything upon the demand of the government. Savvas Kalenderidis provided help under the order of Sgruridis. Pangalos was receiving the information about Ocalan from me and he was telling me the orders of the prime minister. We brought Ocalan to Athens on January 29, 1999 and Voula Diamanako, a man of literature, played host to Ocalan at his home. We were making moves under the knowledge of the government. Because EYP was the intelligence service of Greece." His words openly showed Greek administration's relation with terrorist elements.

Capture of terrorist Abdullah Ocalan and his arrival in Turkey caused a big shock in Greece. Prime Minister Simitis, after their ties with the terror organization leader Ocalan revealed, dismissed Foreign Minister Pangalos, Interior Minister Papadapulos and Public Order Minister Pecalnikos as well as Greek Intelligence Service Chief Haralambos Stavrakakis who personally met with Ocalan.

Greek Parliament Speaker Apostolos Kaklamanis in a press release dated March 1, 1999 said that, "Greece was the responsible party for every crisis that emerge between Turkey and Greece and Greece also caused the Ocalan question."

The only result of sheltering Abdullah Ocalan in Greece was taking those who had involved in the even to the court and Greek governments effort to erase the "terror scandal" from the minds of people.

Elefterotipia newspaper in its November 15, 1999 issue reveals the atmosphere after Ocalan event:

"In February 1999, Greece was shocked with the capture of Ocalan. Prosecutors carrying out the probe were accusing the intelligence service, police, airport and private aviation company officials, retired navy officer Andonis Naksadis and politicians whose names were mentioned as a part of this event. 20 months later, two Kurds who are close friends of retired officer Naksakis and Ocalan, were hold responsible for committing four different crimes. Three out of 25 people hold responsible for Ocalan event; Andonis Naksakis, Yasar Cengiz and Ayfer Kaya alas Rozarin Lazer and also the lover of Ocalan were sent to court."

Recently, operations carried out against the November 17 terror organization were known as the most important progress showing the relations between the PKK, November, the DHKP/C and Greek Cypriot agents. There is some evidence revealing that this four elements were behind the assassinations targeting Turkish diplomats in Greece.

According to a news report of Apoyevmatini newspaper on July 22, 2002, Greek Cypriot agents have been giving training to the PKK terrorists in the Bekaa Valley since 1989. November 17 terror organization has assassinated Turkish diplomat Haluk Sipahioglu as a revenge of the murder of Greek Cypriot agent Teofilos Georgiadis on March 4, 1994. Again November 17, the DHKP/C, the PKK and Greek Agents quartet was behind the murder of Cetin Gorgu and arson attack against Deniz Bolukbası.

Ocalan was carrying a passport belonging to the Lazaros Georgiadis who was murdered in the Greek Cyprus and who was the predecessor to Greek Cypriot agent Teofilos Georgiadis when he was captured in Kenya. It was an important evidence of relation between the PKK terror organization and murdered Greek Cypriot agent.

According to a news report of To Vima newspaper on June 7, 2002, DHKP/C terror organization's leader Dursun Karatas has ties in Athens and he spends majority of his time in the Greek capital.

"European intelligence services have been warning Athens that the leaders of the DHKP/C are preparing to settle in Greece. According to a report prepared by the Greek Intelligence service, DHKP/C terrorists have opened restaurants and shops in Greece with the money they earned from the drug smuggling at the end of 1980s," according to the To Vima newspaper.


International society supports the operations against the November 17 but also expects Greece to remove suspicions. There is a joint expectation from Greece; revealing alleged relation between the November 17 and government, taking all the suspects to court and starting a self-criticism era arguing the Simitis Government's role in Greece's official ties with terror.

http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/EN...terrorism.html

[Turkophagos]

I strongly support PKK and i wish the greek government had supported them more back then.

Greeks were the "terrorists" of their time during our independence war, 10 years ago were the Kurds. But unfortunately for the turks that's the reality of tomorrow:

[Onur]

Btw don't think that Greek support of terrorism against Turkey has ended. PKK camps in Greece is still active today for anyone who wants learn how to set up a bomb or assassinate someone in Turkey. Most probably, ex-army officials of Greece are still providing training to young terrorists under the supervision of Greek government. As the bishop of Greek church in Athens declared to BBC in the message above, they provide necessary food and money by rising funds for PKK. Here is an article from Belgium in 2010;

Kurds And Police Clash After Belgian Raids

Police in Belgium have arrested eight people on suspicion of recruiting fighters for an outlawed Kurdish separatist group. The eight were taken into custody after 300 police officers raided dozens of addresses across the country, as part of a three-year investigation into the activities of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

The PKK took up arms in 1984 to campaign for an independent Kurdish state and is listed as a terrorist organisation by the European Union, US and Turkey.

Belgian prosecutors claimed they had evidence to suggest those arrested were involved in falsifying passports and financing recruitment for PKK armed activities.

Spokesperson Lieve Pellens told a news conference: "We believe there are serious indications that young people, especially of Kurdish origin, were being recruited in Western countries, including Belgium, for military camps in north and eastern Iraq and Greece."

Masked police swooped on the Kurdish television broadcaster RJO in Denderleeuw during the raids. Outside the broadcaster's offices, Kurdish protesters clashed with riot-police who fought back with water canon.

March 05, 2010

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...01003115567836

You may wonder how come a member of EU provides a safe heaven for the terrorists and set up camps for them in there. They do this by officially calling these places as "refugee camps for immigrants". PKK and Marxist terror group of DHKP-C members enters Greece illegally together with other illegal immigrants but Greek secret service separates these people from other immigrants and puts them into these "special camps".

For example, they shut down one of these camps 2 years ago;

Greece Shutting Down Lavrion Refugee Camp

Greece is getting ready to shut down the Lavrion refugee camp which has been a safe haven for PKK terrorists for years.

Greek authorities took action upon reactions in the international arena over news suggesting that the Lavrion camp served as a base opening into Europe in human trafficking.

Greek government warned the refugees in the camp it would prohibit the entry of all life materials including food stuff, clothing and medicine and the camp would be closed down.

Terrorist organization PKK is said to charge Kurdish and Afghan refugees from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, and Afghanistan, 5 to 7 thousand Euro to bring them to the Lavrion camp. PKK is said to later charge refugees 10 thousand Euro to help them enter European countries with fake passports.

Upon the announcement of the Greek authorities, the refugees incited by PKK terrorists started making preparations to launch protests. But their attempts were prevented when Greek authorities were quick enough to apprehend the four PKK terrorists who were instigating the refugees.

European authorities say majority of the 50 thousand illegal immigrants apprehended in Europe in the H1 of 2010 was Kurdish refugees which illegally entered Europe over Greece.

02 November 2010

http://www.turkishny.com/english-new...n-refugee-camp

Ofc not all of them stays in these refugee camps but some applies for political asylum in Greece and Greek courts provides asylum to them immediately. Here is another article from last year. Apparently, a private residence belonged to a PKK terrorist who applied for asylum to Greece and took Greek passport last year. And he exploded himself and the whole house accidentally in central Salonika. The weaponry found in the home is unbelievable;

anti-tank weapon armed with a 64mm M80 shell, a Kalashnikov submachine gun with four rounds, a Scorpion submachine gun, an AK machine gun, an older model machine gun, ammunition of various diameters, 14 handgrenade detonators, six handgrenades, two anti-personnel mines and five kilos of an unidentified powder believed to be dynamite.

Heavy weaponry found after apartment explosion
A 32-year-old Kurdish national killed in a handgrenade explosion in an apartment in Thessaloniki on Tuesday night was believed to have been connected with armed Kurdish organisations, after the discovery of a cache of heavy weaponry in the basement apartment in Triandria, Thessaloniki police said on Thursday.



The man had submitted an application for political asylum in March 2010 in Athens, and had been living in Thessaloniki since April that same year.

A search of the ruins of the apartment turned up heavy weaponry and explosives, which are being scrutinised by police.

The weaponry, which was hidden in a secret compartment in the apartment's kitchen, included an eastern- made anti-tank weapon armed with a 64mm M80 shell, a Kalashnikov submachine gun with four rounds, a Scorpion submachine gun, an AK machine gun, an older model machine gun, ammunition of various diameters, 14 handgrenade detonators, six handgrenades, two anti-personnel mines and five kilos of an unidentified powder believed to be dynamite.

Counter-terrorism police are also examining a prospective connection with a 42-year-old Turkish woman arrested in early July in Thessaloniki, who is believed to be a member of the European division of the Revolutionary Popular Party (DHKP-C), which is outlawed in Turkey. The woman was arrested on a warrant by the German authorities.

Earlier in the week the Greek Supreme Court (Areios Paghos) ruled in favour of the woman's extradition to Germany on condition that she is not extradited to Turkey or any other country.

The explosion occurred shortly after 11:00 on Tuesday night in a basement apartment of a three-storey building in Triandria, and the dismembered body of the Kurd was found in the ruins.

Police later said that the explosion came from a handgrenade that the man had possibly been examining at the time.

The explosion caused damage to neighboring buildings and construction sites, as well as to cars parked in the vicinity.

6 Oct 2011

http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/48691

I am sure that Greek authorities didn't even see while PKK terrorists stacking anti-tank rockets, machine guns and bombs to Salonika. I am sure that they knew nothing at all (!!!)

Their affection to the kurdish terrorists is quite evident. They even provide them passports and Greek courts rules that they cant be extradited to Turkey (!!!)

[Queen B]

I am really bored to read manipulated bullshit all the time.

First of all, since the passport is Cypriot, then NOONE else than the Cypriot state could give him this passport.
Greece and Cyprus are different countries, with different passports.

Also, its Greece that gave Ocalan to police. So, we betrayed him, instead of supporting him.

In the Ocalan case now, we shouldn't be such cowards, it should be really us that we could hide him and we shouldn't have give him to the police.

[Loki]

This is definitely a flashpoint in time to come, and to be fair the Kurds deserve a country of their own. It could even benefit Turkey. But will Turkey and Iran give it up without a fight?

[Turkophagos]

This is definitely a flashpoint in time to come, and to be fair the Kurds deserve a country of their own. It could even benefit Turkey. But will Turkey and Iran give it up without a fight?

American policy in the area is "divide and conquer". The States will tolerate a Turkey of this size and military power as long as it will continue to be its little puppet. I sense that Davutoglu's neo-ottomanism will be the reason of the destruction and division of the turkish "republic" as we know it.

[ChildOfTheJin]

The Turkish state knows the PKK terms for peace. Give us autonomy with in turkey and you will see peace in the region. We ask for nothing more. We are sick of the Turkish authorities ruling our streets. We are sick of the Turkish military right next to our doorsteps. And we are sick of the Turkish people calling us "mountain turks"

[Pecheneg]

The Turkish state knows the PKK terms for peace. Give us autonomy with in turkey and you will see peace in the region.

It's not that easy. Guess what will be the next step? Unification of Kurds of Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq >> establishment of kıro state.

We ask for nothing more. We are sick of the Turkish authorities ruling our streets. We are sick of the Turkish military right next to our doorsteps.

Then try to get used to it. Since the Seljuks, Turkish military has always been there, and always will.

And we are sick of the Turkish people calling us "mountain turks"

enough of this dramatization. I'm also sick of your potential criminal people who transformed many Turkish cities into shithole. Thinner addicts, thieves, pkk supporters, urban terrorists, rapists, smugglers, picpockets...all of them are kurds.

[Pecheneg]

I strongly support PKK

Unfortunately you wanker's support means nothing. Even this creature has more important role in this issue.

Greeks were the "terrorists" of their time during our independence war,

They were not greeks, but some orthodox arnavites.