about the "genocide" of Estonians

[sevruk]

Estonian population

Number of ethnic Estonians:
1959 - 892653
1989 - 963281
2011 - 889770
Under the Soviet regime the number of Estonians was the largest.
After independence, the number of Estonians is steadily declining.
Well, where genocide?

[Talvi]

Estonian population

Number of ethnic Estonians:
1959 - 892653
1989 - 963281
2011 - 889770
Under the Soviet regime the number of Estonians was the largest.
After independence, the number of Estonians is steadily declining.
Well, where genocide?

Did you check the number of ethnic Estonians during the forced deportation in 1941 and 1949 and before that?

You can do it now:

(Estonian population with minorities. "eestlane - estonian")

Rahvaarv Eesti pinnal (koos vähemusrahvustega):

1881 – 889 000 (eestlasi 89,8%)
1897 – 958 000 (eestlasi 90,6%)
1922 – 1 107 000 (eestlasi 92,4%)
1934 – 1 126 000 (eestlasi 92,9%)
1939 – 1 134 000 (eestlasi 88,2%)
1941 – 999 900 (eestlasi 90,8%)
1959 – 1 191 400 (eestlasi 74,6%)
1970 – 1 354 600 (eestlasi 68,2%)
1979 – 1 464 500 (eestlasi 64,7%)
1989 – 1 565 700 (eestlasi 61,5%)
2000 – 1 372 000 (eestlasi 67,9%, 930 219)
2011 – 1 294 236 (eestlasi 68,7%, 889 770)

Amount of Estonians in Estonia in 1939 - 1 133 911 if my math is correct. Which means that by 1959 (numbers you presented) the amount of Estonians had dropped by 241258 people. This means that during the Soviet regime the percentage of Estonians dropped by 21%.

[sevruk]

Did you check the number of ethnic Estonians during the forced deportation in 1941 and 1949 and before that?

You can do it now:

(Estonian population with minorities. "eestlane - estonian")


Amount of Estonians in Estonia in 1939 - 1 133 911 if my math is correct. Which means that by 1959 (numbers you presented) the amount of Estonians had dropped by 241258 people. This means that during the Soviet regime the percentage of Estonians dropped by 21%.

number of ethnic Estonians never exceeded one million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
I did not take into account losses during World War 2, the war is war.

[Talvi]

number of ethnic Estonians never exceeded one million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
I did not take into account losses during World War 2, the war is war.

So mass deportations of civilians to Siberia and then killing them off there during the beginning of the Soviet era is a natural part of war that should not be taken into account? This is what you are saying?

Deported Estonians in 1941: about 10 000
Deported Estonians in 1949 : about 20 535

So tell me exactly, what did the Russians try to do by deporting over 30 000 Estonians to Siberia and then killing half of them off and trying to replace them with Russians if not ethnic cleansing? Not to mention all the crap in other countries.

From the same link you offered me:

In the twentieth century, Estonia's ethnic makeup was altered radically by policies implemented by the Soviet government. Large numbers of ethnic Russians were incentivized to move into the non-Russian republics, including Estonia. The population was further altered by Joseph Stalin's mass deportations and executions while many people simply left as a result of World War II.

I also mentioned that one of the mass deportation took place in 1949, as far as I know the WWII ended in 1945.

Even if there was less than million Estonians.. from the link you have me the number of Estonians in 1934 is 992,520 by the Soviet 1959 it has still dropped by 99867 people. And no given statistics on that site for almost 2 decades. Which means that largest amount of Estonians in Estonia was during the first Estonian Republic, where almost 90% of the population was Estonian.

[sevruk]

So mass deportations of civilians to Siberia and then killing them off there during the beginning of the Soviet era is a natural part of war that should not be taken into account? This is what you are saying?

Deported Estonians in 1941: about 10 000
Deported Estonians in 1949 : about 20 535

so for the time of the Soviet Union were repressed fewer Estonian people than the population of Estonia decreased by independence. Great genocide!

[Talvi]

so for the time of the Soviet Union were repressed fewer Estonian people than the population of Estonia decreased by independence. Great genocide!

I didnt mean to imply that you were successful genociders. Also, killing people off on purpose, and a naturally declining birthrate (that is happning in most all developed countries btw) are completely different things, and the current population has nothing to do with your nation being disgusting.

Considering what is genocide and what is not is dependent on what your people did, not how our people fuck each other to make babies.

[sevruk]

I didnt mean to imply that you were successful genociders. Also, killing people off on purpose, and a naturally declining birthrate (that is happning in most all developed countries btw) are completely different things, and the current population has nothing to do with your nation being disgusting.

Considering what is genocide and what is not is dependent on what your people did, not how our people fuck each other to make babies.

The problem is that the Estonian population is reduced not because of "that is happning in most all developed countries"

In most all developed countries have significant immigration, now all leave Estonia

[Talvi]

The problem is that the Estonian population is reduced not because of "that is happning in most all developed countries"

In most all developed countries have significant immigration, now all leave Estonia

The reason why Estonian population alarmingly decreased in the beginning of the Soviet Union is because of attempted ethnic cleansing. What is up with the Estonians in Estonia now is not your business.

Estonians who fled USSR Estonia in the 40s and 50s reported of ethnic cleansing IN the 40s. Nobody reported of ethnic cleansing Russians are doing after the 90s.
Also you forgot to answer my question:

So tell me exactly, what did the Russians try to do by deporting over 30 000 Estonians to Siberia and then killing half of them off and trying to replace them with Russians if not ethnic cleansing?

[sevruk]

The reason why Estonian population alarmingly decreased in the beginning of the Soviet Union is because of attempted ethnic cleansing. What is up with the Estonians in Estonia now is not your business.

Also you forgot to answer my question:

Estonians were exiled to Siberia as well as Russian, Ukrainians, Jews, etc.
All the anti-Soviet quoted in Siberia, regardless of nationality.

[Talvi]

Estonians were exiled to Siberia as well as Russian, Ukrainians, Jews, etc.
All the anti-Soviet quoted in Siberia, regardless of nationality.

And what was the meaning of deporting Estonians, Latvians, Ukranians etc and replacing them with Russians in their homeland?

And yes Russian civilians suffered, too, but for different reasons. Which means you should own up to the shit your country did not deny it. Thats why people dislike your kind, you are too pathetic to own up to your past misdeeds.